Why can't you understand the simple principles of intrinsic value for all human beings?
Why cant you concede the not so simple circumstances of a;
1} non-breathing fetuse/baby organsim of a pregnant woman,
Oh, I understand it. I understand it is morally wrong. You do not.
The question is what the unborn is. Do you understand that? If it is a human being, no matter how undeveloped, it is a valuable being, as long as you give human beings intrinsic value. If you don't do that you are no better than Hitler or Stalin, or Mao, or Kim Jong-un. If one class or one group of human beings is less valuable than another class because you are making it so, then that group is devalued, dehumanized and so often destroyed. That is what you are giving your consent to when you support abortion. You are saying it is not as valuable and it is not to be treated with the same respect as every other human being. And you can get away with this kind of discrimination and devaluation UNTIL those values are placed on you and your group, then how do you feel? Do you still feel it is right (step this way please for a free complimentary community shower)?
2} and a viable breathing independant individual that has been born out of a woman.?
So, you are basing your distinction on its environment (the womb as opposed to the outside world) and its level of development, its size and its dependency on another, not on what it is, a human being. Those are the distinctions between the born and the unborn.
If I live in a different environment than you as a human being, say the Arctic as opposed to the tropics, does that give you the right to kill me?
If a girl is not as developed reproductively as a woman, does that give you the right to kill her?
If the unborn depends on the mother for its food and nourishment, but so does the newborn (just as helpless) does that mean you can kill the newborn too?
If I am bigger than you, just like the newborn is bigger than the unborn, does that give me the right to kill you?
That is how stupid these pro-life arguments are.
From the moment of fertilization, we have the potential for a new independant individual human to be born-out from a woman.
It is not a potential human being. It is a human being. It can't be any other kind of being if it has human donors. Once the sperm penetrates the egg a new life begins. This is a scientifically verified fact that can be backed up. There is no potential about it. It is a human being.
Until the time of birth, the fetus is organism of womans body, NOT a born-out independant individual human.
No, it is NOT part of the woman's body. It is in the environment of the woman's body, but it is a separate entity, not part of her body. If it was part of her body and had a male organ then the woman would have a penis. Does a woman have a penis? The newborn is just as dependent on the woman looking after it for its survival. If she neglects to feed it then it will die. It is just as much a dependent human being as the newborn. Its environment has changed. One minute before birth as opposed to one minute after is an environmental difference. Again, your logic is not sound.
Why do you insist on immorally stick your nose *v* into a pregnant womans body? A woman you do not know or have any relationship with? You are an immoral and sadistic human being.
What does that mean (*v*)? Why do you give the woman a right that you do not have? Are not human rights equal? I do not have the right to use my body to kill another human being, yet you give her this right if it is her whim. How sick is this???
It is not me who condones killing innocent human beings. What crime has the unborn committed? If pro-lifers treat it with such dispassion I hate to think who else they are capable of doing the same with since they devalue and dehumanize human life on the whim of the woman. Sick, sick, sick.
Yes, very sad for the unborn.
