Anyway, I’ll need to read the conversation between Wylted and Savant a bit closer when I get home soon, but I’m thinking Savant rn
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@WyIted
I'll expand on my thoughts more when I get home, but right now I'm not seeing the case against Mharman.
Votes:
Mharman (1/5): WyIted
Mikal (2/5): Mharman, Savant
WyIted (1/5): Pie
Bacteriophages have recently become more of an investment for much of the western world, but they have been essential for a long stretch of time in Eastern Europe, mainly due to a lack of antibiotics. These viruses target specific bacteria and could take care of things like methicillin-resistant Staphyloccocus aureus (MRSA), and the only reason they discovered these miracle treatments was a lack of water sanitation. Yep, turns out sewage was leaking into their water supply and to everyone’s surprise, some people started to get better because of it. Lot of bacteria for those bacteriophage to replicate inside of and lyse in sewage. Wouldn’t recommend trying that yourself.
Alright, Pie is lean town. Casey and Savant as well. Mharman and Wylted are probably not scum buddies. I'll go ahead and sheep Pie's pressure on Wylted because I have a really hard time reading him usually.
VTL Wylted
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@Earth
@WyIted
I checked, and this thread is moving significantly slower than the last game. So I'm down to get a claim from someone.
VTL Wylted
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@Savant
I'm fine with just his character claim at this point.
Character is Mycobacterium!
But lynch mharman guys I really don't feel like gathering the evidence that you guys will ignore anyway destroying the point of me even bothering
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@Earth
Why only character? If you really need that much help reading him, shouldn't you want his role?
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@WyIted
are you reaction baiting or something
Votes:
Mharman (1/5): WyIted
Mikal (1/5): Mharman
WyIted (3/5): Pie, Earth, Savant
More on isolation/enrichment. You can enrich for Clostridium pretty easily if you just put some soil (almost always has spores) in a vial with some cellulose as the sole carbon source. They’re one of the few organisms that can degrade it.
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@Mharman
are you reaction baiting or something
I know this feels spooky or maybe like your scum mate told me or something but I legitimately know for a fact you are scum. I am not seeking anything from you at the moment I am currently writing a report on your latest scum and town games and will post the report here soon
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@Mharman
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Having just his character suits me for the time being. Also, what do you mean reaction testing?
Votes:
Mharman (1/5): WyIted
Mikal (1/5): Mharman
WyIted (1/5): Pie
Keep the series going before I nod off. Azotobacter is easy to isolate if you give it a carbon rich medium sans a nitrogen source and plenty of access to atmosphere. It can fix nitrogen (i.e. use nitrogen gas as a source of nitrogen) very well, so just let it marinate a bit. And you can even tell that it’s growing: the organism has this thick capsule around its cells, and it grows as this gummy ring around the top of the flask. Easy to isolate as slimy colonies from there.
Mharman seems to be deflecting and generally being disinterested in solving the game and his posts are largely fluff. We do have to compare his current behavior to his baseline both as scum and as town to see if it means anything, but it should be noted that if we knew nothing of Mharman's prior games than the way he is posting is still scummy. Let's take a large sample size of Mharmans posts in this game that are spread out and not all around a relatively close period of time so they can't be explained by a temporary mood shift or because of merely what stage of the game they appear in.
post 4 page 1 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=4
"It’s crazy how many sayings come from religious literature"
just a fluff post meant to make conversation, Notice in the post after he says "Here" and I shit you not when Mharman says "here" he is always scum.
On page one he tags multiple players and tries to stir up activity but none of this seems to be aimed at progressing the game.
post 7 almost seems like analysis if you quickly scroll past it but its just him randomly mentioning when people were last online, one of which only appears here when he is asked to play mafia https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=7
Page to on post 45 and several posts later https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=45 we see Mharman trying to appear active by talking about nerds being shoved in lockers. He wants his presence known but he isn't really advancing the game.
In post 51 he says the following https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=51
"hought about the ins and outs of if scum Pie would what he’s doing rn for town cred. He could (it’s actually beneficial for scum if they are confident in their ability to find a fake claim despite limiting themselves) but he doesn’t have to… even so, there’s not a reason to interpret everything he does in the scummiest light."
Even his attempts to look like he is contributing is just talking about game theory, it doesn't feel like a genuine read.
The next three posts are seemingly to buddy and just talk to talk https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=55
55 "Well, you certainly don’t need to argue against your own town cred if you’re scum."
56 "Haha incentives go brrrrrr"
57 "Deadass if you understand incentives you understand 90% of human behavior"
On page 3 he tries to buddy both Savant and me #64, 67, 69
on page 4 we see mharman hedging his bets on several reads, you see it mildly in his town read of pie earlier but in this post you see it with both me and savant. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12816-microbiology-mafia-dp1?page=4&post_number=93
"Wylted trying to insta solve off of a minute detail from Whiteflame about discord PMs does resemble his town play. But he knows I caught him over not doing that last game. We’ll see how it develops as the game goes along. That’s why these reads are only slight. Good start tho
I see Savants stated reason for delaying his reads- but ive known him to be one that analyses every little post. The thing about town metas like that is that they are hard af to fake as scum, so it feels like a cop-out. Especially since throwing out the first scumread or lean of the game will always draw attention. Yes I know his reads were less accurate at the start last game, but that’s always a given, so not much of a need to delay. Bad start"
How does Mharman play as town. for that we can go to jet fighters mafia https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1
he is town and notice how he doesn't say "here" in his first few posts. Seriously its a scum tell and its stupid that the tell is 100% accurate but with Mharman it is.
Strong reads immediately not a bunch of hedging like in this game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=50
"I’ll agree Banana is town.
Not sure on Lunatic, Pie, or Mikal yet.
Whiteflame’s claim is… interesting. A little sus imo"
Notice he also could give a shit less about buddying unlike current game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=82
"Well, I did say I wasn’t gonna be doing much the first day of the DP.
I don’t see too much of a reason not to soft, not for this game. I am not a stealth jet."
Nothing to ease tension or be friendly, he just allows tension to hang in the air. Sure its mild but he can't stand it this game
More real analysis not fluff https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=84
"JOAT is my first problem. Idk what mod put a commuter w a JOAT, much less with a manipulative role. First impression is that is looks like a slap-dash fake claim."
real analysis not buddying https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=88
"Someone mentioned Pie’s steeping and I don’t like it either. The one thing I’m trying to watch for is if Mikal and Lunatic are just trying to steamroll town. I will say it’s hard for me to sus two players together when I don’t like Whiteflame’s claim. I’ll sleep on it for now."
Again strong reads, no hedging https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=6&post_number=151
"alr I'm here. Townreading USer, Banana, Mikal, and Lunatic. I think there's two scum between Whiteflame, Pie, and Moozer. I'll be typing up those reads shortly"
Real analysis not theory masquerading as analysis https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12671-jet-fighters-mafia-dp1?page=6&post_number=155
"Yknow I had felt User's claim was just an effort to be extra helpful bc i felt there was no reason to offer that as scum. I townread Mikal behaviorally, so I'm inclined to believe him. It would be prudent of me to double check something though hold on"
Thats enough for his town game, lets look at a scum game Call of duty https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1
Mharman starts the game by saying "here", like this game https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1?page=1&post_number=7
post 49 mharman buddies lunatic pretty blatantly like he did this game, something absent from his town game where he is all business and with a very occasional joke https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12611-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-dp1?page=2&post_number=49
fluff in post 52, 54, 56,
Beyond page 3 he plays well as scum and gets into the flow and his reads start looking more substantitive, I wonder what the scum PM looks like and how much help he was getting'
Anyway there it is. In this game he displays behaviors he only displays as scum and never displays as town. He is scum kill him
Also Pie and Lunatic are experienced enough to spot his behavior as scummy if they look at it, even without the other games as context so if they disagree at all than they are scum
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@WyIted
he is town and notice how he doesn't say "here" in his first few posts. Seriously its a scum tell and its stupid that the tell is 100% accurate but with Mharman it is.
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@Savant
I get it and its one of the things I used to hate when I wasted my time with sports, announcers saying "The cowboys never score less than 20 points in may when its raining and the republicans control congress" . Those stats are really dumb but we are talking about patterns in a specific persons behavior here and feeling self conscious and that coming across as you saying here to make your presence felt is one of them. My guess is that he as scum feels like he is being scummy if he is inactive so he overcompensates by going out of his way to say extra shit and be noticed. It likely happens on a subconscious level
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@Savant
Also, what's your example of it being scummy? If WyIted is scum, shouldn't we expect him to act like he usually does in scum games?
I never said it was scummy, I just said it was unlike him. Could be something, could be nothing, but better than twidling our thumbs
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@WyIted
just a fluff post meant to make conversation, Notice in the post after he says "Here" and I shit you not when Mharman says "here" he is always scum.
How big is your sample size? Have you looked at the last 10/20 games Mharman has played and confirmed this is true for all of them? If not, I don't see this as super significant.
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@Savant
How big is your sample size? Have you looked at the last 10/20 games
I have a fucking life bro.
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@WyIted
I have a fucking life bro.
Ok, then all we have is a single other game where Mharman said "here" and happened to be scum.
However, I do think you may be onto something with the "strong reads" clue. I'm gonna look through past Mharman games and see if that's a consistent tell.
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@WyIted
Looked through Game Shows mafia where Mharman is town. "Here" is the first thing he says. How did you not look at the literal last game Mharman played? Especially one you were also in?
Also his reads in that game were not super decisive.
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@Savant
Why are you defending the fluff that is inconsistent with his town game, the buddying inconsistent with his town game, the hedging inconsistent with his town game to focus on "here" ?
I looked at the links you gave for everyone's town and scum games to ease my workload. It's your own fault you didn't include the last one. You honestly sound like those scum that when they are caught they pretend like you got lucky because you made a single error in your analysis.
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@WyIted
Why are you defending the fluff that is inconsistent with his town game
I'll take another look but you posted a lot of things.
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@WyIted
It's your own fault you didn't include the last one.
Well I'm not gonna include every single game those people played. It's a quick reference, but it's not entirely deterministic.
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@Earth
I was asking Wylted if he was just going after me to see how people would react to it.
Okay, I'm not going to stay up very late tonight, but I did say I would expand on my thoughts a bit, so here I am. Regarding Wylted, being different, I guess it is technically true that a change in behavior is not necessarily a scumtell, but it is a good thing to look out for. Players do tend to act slightly differently when they're scum vs town, after all. That's just obvious. Also, I don't think I was any different in terms of my behavior in the last game, aside from generally being more active.
Wylted claiming to have been using an AI is... weird? I kind of believe it tho, mostly just because of this one line:
Looking closer at earth they seem to want to appease the crowd so to speak which is putting me off.
It's weird that Wylted would use singular 'they' to refer to Earth, especially given that, from my memory, he thinks that singular they is dehumanizing (which it isn't since it's exclusively animate in English and even using it for non-human animate referents is rare, but I digress.) An AI wouldn't necessarily know Earth's gender, however. Idk, I might be looking too deep into nothing, but DP1 is the time to do that. Even if it is true, however, I don't know what to make of Wylted using an AI to write posts for him.
As for Wylted's big "this is why Mharman is scum post" ...Maybe I'm just too tired to really engage with this game, but I'm not really seeing it. Mharman feels pretty normal to me so far. I wouldn't exactly consider him a town lean, but he's not a scum lean, either. He's just in my null camp.
I'm sorry, I really want to put more effort into this game, but I'm fucking exhausted from work. Lots of overtime every week. This is why I wanted to sit out the last game. I only ended up being more active than normal because it started on the weekend when I was free. I'm just going to go to bed and hopefully return to this in the morning before work.
I read the back and forth between Wylted and Savant again, as well as the conversation between Wylted and Pie. After eyeing the details, I simply don’t care about it.
Anyway I’ll post a full set of reads in the morning. I’m not gonna push myself to do it tonight.
I do think Casey had a scum incentive to at least mull a Wylted’s case on me, so the fact that she “doesn’t see it” is a small sign of towniness. I say small for reasons that will be covered tomorrow