"We're Going After Criminals"

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Don’t forget that evil Australian woman who wasn’t a virgin!

While the full body cavity search (which was mandated by the lack of breaking any laws) didn’t find anything, you can never be too careful.
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What stores should I loot to save Democracy?
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Personally democracy is most threatened when I don't have bose speakers in every room.
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And you know you can't vote properly without the proper NBA footwear.
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Of course.
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Safest place in all of LA is a bookstore.
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I mean I don’t disagree that it would cause a lot of suffering but I disagree about moral culpability.
Culpability is irrelevant to the children involved (most of which are US citizens) as well as the friends and other family of those you would deport.

It's also crazy to me how immigration hardliners pretend these people just picked up and moved here because they had nothing better to do or figured they'd get free stuff or something to that effect. The overwhelming majority of these people came here fleeing violence and extreme poverty, so I get that they didn't do it the right way but the way folks like yourself hold that against them morally is quite insane. The backlog for processing applications is like 10 years, many of these people would be dead by the time they got an answer. It may not be our problem - we can't take in every refuge on earth, but if you're going to act as if you're not engaging in something that is horrible at least from one standpoint you're just divorced from reality.

Being sent back to your country of origin is not a rights violation in any way. 
No one is claiming this.

I’m so confused. Finding people where they are including the entire country and work places IS the normal enforcement of laws???
So... What Trump is doing right now is perfectly normal then?

The point of the hypothetical is to see how you’d react if there was the mass illegal immigration of people from a culture YOU disliked. It seems that if that happened you are okay with deporting them you just disagree with some tactics. 
Full circle - I've made this clear since the start of this thread. I never expressed or implied that I had any principal issue with deporting anyone here illegally. What I have always taken issue with is the prioritization of this as our national issue. It's not that your arguments are wrong, I just don't believe the reality is anywhere near what folks like yourself claim and to the extent any of them are right they are offset by so many things that should give serious pause to bany rational and decent person.

Fix our absurd asylum laws including more judges to process these claims and remove those with no justification, plug the border with more agents and better technology to stop illegal aliens and drugs from entering, deport anyone who commits crimes or lands on our radars for any legitimate reason, and move on.

For the farm workers, nannies, carpenters, etc. who are here working and contributing, leave them alone. We have better things to worry about. 
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For the farm workers, nannies, carpenters, etc. who are here working and contributing, leave them alone. We have better things to worry about. 

Like Thett said, it's their non-assimilating culture that Americans worry about, and your backward thinking is what causes American schools to assimilate to the kids of illegal migrants, hurting the opportunities of the kids of both legal immigrants and Americans. it's not anti-kid to say that parents who knowingly break the law and impose burdens on public systems need to be held responsible. The schools didn't invite them. The teachers didn’t ask for overwhelmed classrooms. The cities didn't ask to pay enormous amounts for bilingual sei certified teachers. And local American families shouldn't be the ones constantly asked to adjust and sacrifice while Washington shrugs. They wanna work and contribute, there is a legal way to do that in a way that doesn't break social services for all Americans and their kids. Cause it aint just schools, it's everything.


You want fairness? Then we should start by making sure American kids and the kids of legal immigrants aren’t sacrificed on the altar of someone else's chaos. That’s not hate, it's just common sense bro. That is definitely one of the major reasons most legal brown people think you are crazy for thinking you can continue down this road. 80-20, and you are on the 20 side.

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Hey man, fair enough, I think we’ve gone back and forth enough on this topic 
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Jesus’ message about immigrants is rooted in compassion, empathy, and action. Through key teachings and parables—like the story of the Good Samaritan and the words in Matthew 25—Jesus consistently calls His followers to welcome and care for the stranger. His message is not vague or abstract; it’s deeply practical, urging believers to see every person, especially the outsider, as worthy of love and dignity. These teachings challenge Christians to view immigrants not through the lens of politics, but through the lens of grace, reminding us that when we care for the vulnerable, we are, in fact, serving Christ Himself.
What’s more, Jesus’ message echoes the Old Testament command to love and protect the foreigner, rooted in Israel’s own history as immigrants in Egypt. From the Golden Rule to the command to love our neighbor as ourselves, Scripture paints a consistent picture: love knows no borders. But understanding this call is only the beginning. Keep reading for a deeper dive into how Jesus’ words can shape not just our beliefs, but our actions—right here, right now.

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Menkin said Jesus was a downright moron.

“If we assume that man actually does resemble God, then we are forced into the impossible theory that God is a coward, an idiot and a bounder.”
“God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable.”
-HL Mencken
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Anyone remember this, he said it 53 times during the campaign.

“Before I even arrive at the Oval Office, shortly after we all together win the presidency, I will have the horrible war between Russia and Ukraine settled. It will be done within 24 hours.” - Donald Trump
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@Greyparrot
it's their non-assimilating culture that Americans worry about
This is just bigotry dressed up as a rational objection.

your backward thinking is what causes American schools to assimilate to the kids of illegal migrants, hurting the opportunities of the kids of both legal immigrants and Americans. it's not anti-kid to say that parents who knowingly break the law and impose burdens on public systems need to be held responsible. The schools didn't invite them.
No, our ridiculous asylum laws invited them. The influx of migrants into our country is a product of US law, so claiming they're all law breakers for being here is pure fantasy.

If only there was a way to address our asylum laws.

That is definitely one of the major reasons most legal brown people think you are crazy for thinking you can continue down this road.
Propaganda and the weaponization of current US law by republicans is why most legal brown people, along with most of MAGA think people like me are crazy. You guys are all shadowboxing with a caricature of your own invention, and it's exhausting consistently arguing something only to read the responses to the imaginary person you think you're talking to.
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This is just bigotry dressed up as a rational objection.
You mean a national objection, and yes, it's okay to reject cultures outright. Our country was founded on rejecting a culture of monarchs, bigoted as it was.

No, our ridiculous asylum laws invited them. 
What law says we HAVE to catch and release instead of remain in Mexico? I'm gonna need a big citation here.

If only there was a way to address our asylum laws.
Like elect a president that enforces them? That was already done.

Propaganda and the weaponization of current US law by republicans is why most legal brown people, along with most of MAGA think people like me are crazy
Real life is always going to be stronger than propaganda. Legal brown people at the border want to assimilate, not send their taxes and kids to schools that tell them they don't have to learn English as much as before. They don't want to send their kids to schools that tell them English is optional or to pay taxes into systems that bend over backward for people who broke the law to get here.

They didn’t pay, fight, and sweat for citizenship just to watch their neighborhoods transform into no-go zones. They want structure. They want standards. And they sure as hell didn’t sign up to be lumped in with those who skipped the line and now expect the system to cater to them on their dime. This is a culture war, and this culture war is colorblind. You're either American or you are not. Maybe you were not one of those coastal elite brown people that saw their tax dollars go up in smoke watching line jumpers get free rooms at hotels while homeless Americans shivered in the streets. But that's also another reason for the 80-20.

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Anyone remember this, he said it 53 times during the campaign.
Remember when last week Trump said he wasn't going to go after farm workers last week and MSNBC called Trump a liar?

Then the next week he said he would go after the farm workers and MSNBC called Trump a monster?

Nobody cares.
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Anyone remember this, he said it 53 times during the campaign.
Remember when last week Trump said he wasn't going to go after farm workers last week and MSNBC called Trump a liar?

Then the next week he said he would go after the farm workers and MSNBC called Trump a monster?

Nobody cares.
Trumps approval ratings have plunged to the lowest in a century, apparently somebody cares.

Cadet Bone Spurs desperately wants to look tough.

Sending troops to LA only made him look petty.
His Birthday parade only made him look like an idiot.
His inane nonsense at G7 only made him a laughingstock.

Now he thinks a war with Iran will make him look tough.

MAGA has become a bad joke.








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Trumps approval ratings have plunged to the lowest in a century, apparently somebody cares.
Yes, it's so low TDS has been cured around the globe as they declare victory.

Well done, you earned your rest. It's over.

We can finally stop caring now.


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Trumps approval ratings have plunged to the lowest in a century, apparently somebody cares.
Yes, it's so low TDS has been cured around the globe as they declare victory.

Well done, you earned your rest. It's over.

We can finally stop caring now.
No thanks, as long as MAGA suffers from LDS, Liberal Derangement Syndrome, we need to care.  I'm sure you guys would just love it if your crime, violence, and hatred would just be unopposed while you tear down our democracy, but no, as long as there are decent, moral, law-abiding people, you will be opposed.

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" 
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National Guard doesn't care. Especially not about violent Mormons.