Anyone remember that? I didn't know the place to find them was in schools, churches or at the Home Depot.
"We're Going After Criminals"
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@Double_R
Anyone remember that? I didn't know the place to find them was in schools, churches or at the Home Depot.
Best place to look is the Oval Office.
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@Double_R
"We're Going After Criminals"
Right now the National Guard is being deployed to confront the rioters, so they'll go after at least some criminals. You might not approve of how, but the statement is true.
I didn't know the place to find them was in schools, churches or at the Home Depot.
Sure, illegal immigration is a civil violation, so not everyone who enters illegally is a criminal. But this is just stupid. Why wouldn't criminals go to schools, churches, or Home Depot? If police typically avoided those places under previous administrations, that would be the safest place for them to go, right? By your logic, Trump isn't a criminal, because he's been to at least two of those places.
This is all disinformation to be honest. Remember when the school principle claimed ice raided his school and then later it was confirmed they just called the principle to ask about the location of a former employee. These loonies are so caught up in protecting rapists and child molestors they will defend them with lies.
Nobody ever said only the criminals anyway, they are just obviously the first target and honestly if you are out raping and killing people than you are probably below Ices radar anyway.
If you don't enter the system than you can't be found. Most of you guys have probably been to other countries and not committed crimes. It's easy to do, you should be extremely well behaved as a guest in another person's country
Remember when Michael Fay went to another country and broke a law and was caned. Every American supported Singapore caning that piece of shit and wanted it televised. That's why our culture is superior. Meanwhile South Americans are crying that we treat rapists poorly
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@WyIted
Remember when the experts assured us that crossing the border illegally was not a crime?
In my state, if you get caught driving without a license, you can go to jail for your 1st offense. That's far worse than a free bus ticket back home.
I can just imagine those expert gaslighters choosing to blow through a border checkpoint and then scream at Border Patrol about how they didn't commit a crime.
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@Greyparrot
The ones who actually accept the offer to voluntarily deport should be the first allowed back when we need to increase immigration rates as well. It's a great deal
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@WyIted
“Sir, you can’t detain me! I’ve been advised by CNN experts that this isn’t a crime!”
Meanwhile, the Border Patrol’s just standing there like, “Okay, well... you’re still going in the truck.”
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@Savant
Sure, illegal immigration is a civil violation,
Lol, only visa overstays are considered civil, and the penalty is the same as breaking and entering across the border....deportation.
People with no visas are absolutely criminals when they avoid border checkpoints.
Saying "we can't deport a visa overstayer because it's civil" is like saying a hotel can't kick out a guest who stayed past checkout because they didn’t commit a crime. Like... what?
Sure. You're not facing jail time for hogging the continental breakfast, but you’re still getting kicked out, and if you resist, things escalate real quick. Same with immigration: civil or not, you're removable. The only reason it's not instant is because of red tape, not some magical shield from consequences.
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@Greyparrot
Saying "we can't deport a visa overstayer because it's civil"
When did I say that though?
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@Savant
You didn't, the CNN expert gaslighters do.
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@Savant
"We're Going After Criminals"Right now the National Guard is being deployed to confront the rioters, so they'll go after at least some criminals. You might not approve of how, but the statement is true.
We're not assessing "We're going after criminals" as a factual statement, is a mission statement which is to say this is what they claimed would be the focus of their operation. The fact that they're going after "some criminals" is irrelevant to the fact that this is yet another example off this administration's dishonesty.
Sure, illegal immigration is a civil violation, so not everyone who enters illegally is a criminal. But this is just stupid. Why wouldn't criminals go to schools, churches, or Home Depot? If police typically avoided those places under previous administrations, that would be the safest place for them to go, right? By your logic, Trump isn't a criminal, because he's been to at least two of those places.
Strawman arguments usually are stupid, that's the point of using them.
No one's claiming criminals don't go to Home Depot. But if you're mission is to find them, this isn't where you camp out. Home Depot is a place where these people go to find work so they can make an honest living. That's the opposite of committing crimes.
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@WyIted
This is all disinformation to be honest.
"US immigration authorities will be able to arrest migrants at schools, churches and hospitals after the Trump administration overturned policies banning immigration enforcement from so-called “sensitive areas”.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) and Customs and Border Protection had been restricted from doing so for more than a decade. The US Department of Homeland Security, which oversees both agencies, said in a statement: “Criminals will no longer be able to hide in America’s schools and churches to avoid arrest."
do, you should be extremely well behaved as a guest in another person's country
Clearly that doesn't matter to this administration
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@Double_R
US immigration authorities will be able to arrest migrants at schools, churches and hospitals after the Trump administration overturned policies banning immigration enforcement from so-called “sensitive areas”.
So exactly what I said. Going in to arrest a president identified suspect and merely overriding sanctuary laws where formally criminals could be safe from arrest should they refuse to leave the church
Not random or targeted raids like op insinuated
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@Greyparrot
Remember when the experts assured us that crossing the border illegally was not a crime?
It's a civil violation genius, not a criminal violation.
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@WyIted
So exactly what I said. Going in to arrest a president identified suspect and merely overriding sanctuary laws where formally criminals could be safe from arrest should they refuse to leave the churchNot random or targeted raids like op insinuated
The idea that criminals are hiding in schools and churches is just stupid. The point of removing this limitation has nothing to do with removing barriers to catch criminals, this is about ensuring that all undocumented people in this country live in fear.
The point of this thread is that when the Trump administration and it's defenders claim that their passionate focus on immigration is about getting rid of the criminals they're all full of shit. If that's what you all really cared about this isn't how you would go about it.
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@Double_R
It's a civil violation genius, not a criminal violation.
That is CNN expert gaslighting. The only civil infraction is if you overstay a visa. Every other infraction is a crime. In both cases, deportation is the resolution, although you can immediately be arrested for fence hopping. When someone says, “It’s only a misdemeanor, not a crime,” they’re either ignorant or intentionally misleading about what goes on the criminal record and what the due process of deportation is.
This is exactly why we have been telling you for years to stop listening to highly paid experts and think for yourself. Read a book.
The idea that criminals are hiding in schools and churches is just stupid.
Tell that to Hamas. Badumtiss.
this is about ensuring that all undocumented people in this country live in fear.
Visa overstays are well documented. CNN experts are lying to you. When paid CNN experts tell you “it’s just a civil issue,” what they’re really doing is downplaying due process enforcement to protect an open-borders narrative. That’s not analysis. That’s lying to promote an economic agenda.
this isn't how you would go about it.
This is exactly how you go about it. You follow the law, not your bank statement.
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@Double_R
I can just imagine those expert gaslighters choosing to blow through a border checkpoint and then scream at Border Patrol about how they didn't commit a crime.
If someone drives through a U.S. border checkpoint without stopping, they’re potentially facing two separate federal crimes. First, under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, entering the United States without going through proper inspection is a criminal misdemeanor, punishable by up to 6 months in prison and fines. That law applies whether you cross on foot or in a vehicle.
If you bypass inspection, you’ve committed a crime.
You’re also violating 18 U.S.C. § 758, which makes it a felony to flee from an immigration checkpoint in a motor vehicle while exceeding the speed limit. That charge can carry up to 5 years in federal prison. So not only is the initial illegal entry a crime, but the act of fleeing the checkpoint escalates the situation significantly and will land someone with felony charges.
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@Double_R
The idea that criminals are hiding in schools and churches is just stupid.
Teachers are not God, neither is a painter hired for the day. They in fact can be wanted fugutives
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@Double_R
Welcome to the world you live in .
I miss when things were wholesome, like just a bunch of people having fun watching cars burn, singing Kumbaya.
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@Swagnarok
It's the new definition of gaslighting. Literally setting cars on fire with gas bombs. Thank you MSM for not making it clear you were a parody of anything decent.
I wish Trump was around to ban the Pilgrims.
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@FLRW
I bet you wish you were around to give the Wampanoag Molotov cocktails and taught them how to properly gaslight the Pilgrims.
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@Greyparrot
OMG, you have a condo at Trump Tower, don't you?
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@FLRW
Admit it, you are Croatoan.
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@Greyparrot
The only civil infraction is if you overstay a visa. Every other infraction is a crime.
You are correct, it is a criminal violation to cross the border illegally. Got me there.
Still irrelevant to the point of this thread. I think that this often gets confused has a lot to do with the fact that the vast majority of people in this country illegally are not here because they crossed the border but because they overstayed their visa's, and to those who did cross malt of them were minors at the time being brought over with their families. Also a massive block of these individuals being deported came here as migrants seeking asylum, which, whatever you think about that is irrelevant to the fact that that is legal.
This is exactly why we have been telling you for years to stop listening to highly paid experts and think for yourself.
Ok, this is just stupid. And it's always the most unserious and easily manipulable people who insists on saying this to everyone else.
this isn't how you would go about it.This is exactly how you go about it. You follow the law, not your bank statement.
You typed words but said absolutely nothing. What I just said has nothing to do with bank statements.
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@WyIted
Teachers are not God, neither is a painter hired for the day.
Never said anything remotely like this.
Do you ever get tired of arguing with your own imagination?
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@Double_R
So what is your claim? That Ice being able to enter a school to catch a murderer so he doesn't Dylan Kleibold the place is bad?
You cited a ruling allowing ICE to save lives and clearly insinuated there was about to be raids of Mexican churches or something. Refer to post 1
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@WyIted
So what is your claim? That Ice being able to enter a school to catch a murderer so he doesn't Dylan Kleibold the place is bad?
Why respond with such a ridiculous hypothetical and suggestion?
You cited a ruling allowing ICE to save lives and clearly insinuated there was about to be raids of Mexican churches or something. Refer to post 1
The central point made in the op is that the Trump administration and it's supporters are dishonest when they pretend all of this immigration theater is about deporting criminals. If that's your goal you don't need to go searching for people to deport at Home Depot. You don't need to reverse rules that say ICE cannot go raid a church or school.
The fundamental selling point of Trump's signature issue is complete nonsense. That's the point.