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@Savant
Mothers who die for their children don't love them unconditionally?
No one loves anyone unconditionally. "Mother" is a condition.
No one is my friend
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@LucyStarfire
You shouldn't be applying the same rules to your personal relationships. That's darkUse value theory applies to all relationships. Person must be attracted by something you actually offer. If you have no use value, expect poor resuts.
Eesh. Now we're applying economic theory to personal relationships. Who hurt you, bro.
All relationships involve give and take, yeah, but if they feel superficial and transactional, you're doing it wrong. And if you're still masking a lot in your closest friendships, you're doing it wrong.
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@Castin
Eesh. Now we're applying economic theory to personal relationships.
Trade isnt ever done with money alone. Trade applies to relationships too. People must get something out of you or they wont be with you. What they get varies, but you really must be path to their goal.
Who hurt you, bro.
Truth hurts, yes.
All relationships involve give and take, yeah,
Yes, so trade.
but if they feel superficial and transactional, you're doing it wrong.
All are trade.
And if you're still masking a lot in your closest friendships, you're doing it wrong
No one likes the true me.
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@LucyStarfire
Give us an example
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@Castin
I even tested this theory on AI girlfriends programmed to really hate me. They will reject all attempts at a relationship unless you give them something which they want, and you become provider of that.
AI friend is ultimately a fake friend by definition.
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@Castin
Give us an example
Example of what?
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@LucyStarfire
What the heck are you saying/doing to these people to make them hate you is what I'm asking
AI is fake friend by definition.
I am a fake friend too.
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@Castin
What the heck are you saying/doing to these people to make them hate you is what I'm asking
I had severe autism before, and it made me have this urge to say very weird things. I didnt realize it before, but autism actually makes you completely unaware of how people will respond to what you say. It is a very stupid disorder. But I got better when I learned more about what not to say. Now I use this site to say what I want, and in real life, I say what people like to hear.
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@Castin
Also, I am still bad at giving people mask they want to see, but I am learning.
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@LucyStarfire
Ah I see. Lots of people with autism struggle with socializing (and socializing is already hard enough for allists). So long as someone gives me the heads-up that they're on the spectrum, I'm pretty understanding of anything untoward they might say. Maybe you just need to find people chill with the 'tism like that.
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@Castin
Maybe you just need to find people chill with the 'tism like that.
Yeah, but that is too much work. Easier to put on a mask and learn how relationships with normal people work. I cant really change people around me either now. But I can use mask they like.
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@Savant
You know what maybe mothers but it's not the majority for sure.
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@LucyStarfire
I had severe autism before
Before, then you got better?
Those autism pills really work great.
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@Sidewalker
Before, then you got better?
I prayed to Gods and they gave me secret knowledge, not some pills. You are not a deluded atheist, so you know God can help with autism. In fact, autism usually exists in worse form in atheist religion.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna47621112
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@Savant
There are multiple forms of love because there are multiple sources of value judgement.
Love is the emotion tied to value.
Emotional and conceptual (which includes subconscious conceptualization) bound together to creative motive. That's how higher animal brains work.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Love is the emotion tied to value.
I prefer the term "use value". I want for us to keep this on some expert level. We shouldnt resort to using words plebs use now.
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@LucyStarfire
Love is the emotion tied to value.I prefer the term "use value".
You could but it hardly transforms the phenomenon into what you said it was.
A mother's love comes from the selfishness of genes, but the origin doesn't change the fact that is more reliable than a person's love of themself.
You lament that the values of others are the values of others and not your values, you've setup a fantastic goalpost.
Love is not just use value but existence value as well.
A man can love the beauty of a mountain, but he does not use the mountain to make beauty, it is something that existed long before he was born and will exist long after he is gone.
If the mountain was not beautiful he would not love it, in in that way you are correct. There is no such thing as unconditional love if you consider the identity of that which is loved to be a condition.
Identity is required for all logic and all responses to perception including love. Even loving existence is loving an identity.
Can you love non-existence and existence equally? Then love would have no meaning because you cannot value X and ~X at the same time in the same way.
This is pure deconstructionism, a conceptual disease.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Love is not just use value but existence value as well.
Existence value is use value, as existence is useful for a goal.
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@LucyStarfire
What goal does the beauty of a mountain achieve?Love is not just use value but existence value as well.Existence value is use value, as existence is useful for a goal.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
A mother's love comes from the selfishness of genes, but the origin doesn't change the fact that is more reliable than a person's love of themself.
It is conditional upon being a mother then. An unconditional love would be love which exists in all conditions then. "Mother" means such love doesnt exist if condition "mother" doesnt exist. The very same person she loves so much, she would not love so much if she was not person's mother. In that sense, it is not love, but mere reproduction value.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What goal does the beauty of a mountain achieve?
You are confused. For some, beauty is a goal.
There are only two possible cases here:
1. There is reason for love
2. There is no any reason for love
1 means love is conditional. No reason = no love then.
2 means you must really love everything and everyone, even equally. We can conclude that 2 probably doesnt even exist ever anywhere, except maybe in God.
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@LucyStarfire
People normally figure this out around age 10.There are only two possible cases here:1. There is reason for love2. There is no any reason for love1 means love is conditional. No reason = no love then.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
People normally figure this out around age 10.
My mental age is 13 and I have autism. It takes great help from Gods for me to ever figure out anything.
Here is another video on related issue:
"They praise your selflessness and your obedience, your lack of self."
If you obey people, they will praise you more. But conditional obedience works to enforce your goals too.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Love is a fluffy conceptual misrepresentation of instinctive physiological processes.
Though said processes, should take no working out and inevitably comes with inbuilt conditions.
Reasoning, as in the conscious interpretation or misinterpretation of inherent processes is where it gets fluffy...Overthink as it were.
This is a generalisation, based upon what one might consider to be standard human physiology.
Aberrations will undoubtedly occur.
Though physiological aberrations should not be confused with acquired overthink.