Israel does not want Iran to have nukes because Iran would then be an equal, and Israel would have to think twice about doing what it does.
Israel striking Iran was justifiable
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@yachilviveyachali
Yeah and I don't want Iran equal to Israel either. Shi'ite nutjobs would forcibly turns whole world Muslim.
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@AdaptableRatman
I don't think they would.
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@yachilviveyachali
Iran is a very good country.
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@yachilviveyachali
How much of Islam, let alone Shia Islam, do you know?
You told me your partner supported the crusades.
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@AdaptableRatman
I know a lot. Every person I meet assumes I am one of them. I do not need to wear a burqa for them to think I am Arab or Islamic, therefore I know everything about Islam.
Ok, I know about history, which is a complex subject. I feel I also know about people, who are quite simple. Politics tends to constrain us. The Iranian regime is no different from any other government that has had to be tamed in order to exist.
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@yachilviveyachali
You know everything about Islam?
As in Qur'an, Hadiths and what Muslims that are not well known in the West say they want to do to the world and to apostates?
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@yachilviveyachali
The Iranian regime is no different from any other government that has had to be tamed in order to exist.
It is not tame.
The current govt is the result of violent revolt against the former Monarchy.
Iran went from Monarchic to Islamofascist.
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@AdaptableRatman
Does this mean they will do them? Are most of the Muslims inclined to?
The current govt is the result of violent revolt against the former Monarchy.
The last shah was favorable to the west. This is why the west liked him.
Iran went from Monarchic to Islamofascist.
I do not think we know how they would behave without Israeli belligerence. What they do in their country is another matter; it is their own affairs.
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@yachilviveyachali
The Israelis were in a hole.
And now they're digging an even bigger hole.
And they will expect the US. to dig them out.
And the US will expect European support.
Which might not be so forthcoming.
Watch this space.
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@zedvictor4
What does US need Europeans for? It is Europe that needs US. This is why they go crying to Daddy when they think there is a problem.
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@yachilviveyachali
Hahaha, right... Sure...
Just remember who made who.
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@yachilviveyachali
Hmmmmmmmmm.
Just about every military action taken up by the US in the last 50 years has required the support of Western Europe.
For obvious reasons, predominately Western Europe and the US have always been allied.
And for obvious reasons, the US and Europe have always been allied to Israel.
Sustaining current allegiances with Moderate Islamic States, might prove difficult.
Though I don't think that moderate Islamic States. would want to get militarily involved.
Currently everyone still wants oil and flashy cars.
Though I suppose that we must also factor in Trump.
So who knows.
Of course the simple alternative would for everyone to be friends.
LOL.
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@zedvictor4
Just about every military action taken up by the US in the last 50 years has required the support of Western Europe.
This is called NATO. Who cares more about NATO? The Europeans. This is to the extent they worry about America leaving the alliance.
For obvious reasons, predominately Western Europe and the US have always been allied.
US isolated itself from the conflicts of the world until WWI, and in WWII, similarly to WWI, they were very reluctant to get involved. Wilson eventually deemed it necessary to enter the Great War in 1917. After the Great War ended the following year, US again pursued isolationism. US was less willing than Britain and France to punish Germany, a measure that contributed significantly to the emergence of WWII. WWII saw Churchill begging for US involvement. He may as well have been on his knees. US sought to avoid entering the war, until they were attacked by Japan and felt they had to enter the war. This was a dream come true to Churchill. It is since WWII that US foreign policy has changed, with the establishment of Israel being a significant part of it.
Sustaining current allegiances with Moderate Islamic States, might prove difficult.
I doubt it. The Islamic countries have many pro-westerners, including Iran.
Though I suppose that we must also factor in Trump.
Trump gets on well with wealthy Muslims. What we can see here is Iran likely getting pummeled and no one coming to their rescue.
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@n8nrgim
I've heard that war needs to keep political ends in mind,
"No one starts a war--or rather, no one in his sense ought to do so--without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by the war and how he intends to conduct it."
- Clausewitz
"War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will."
- Clausewitz
Entering into war doesn't turn off politics,
More often it's politics that 'end wars,
Countries want to achieve some objective, that they can trade at the bargaining table, to force an enemy to terms.
He also talks about destroying the enemy,
But I remember him saying of engagements,
"Engagements mean fighting. The object of fighting is the destruction or defeat of the enemy."
- Clausewitz
He 'talks about absolute war, but,
However, war never achieves its absolute nature because: "war is never an isolated act;" "war does not consist of a single short blow;" and "in war the result is never final."
- Clausewitz
War often doesn't 'go that far, it's some platonic theoretical war.
Though he does use Napoleon as an example of being revolutionary in how much manpower and effort he got out of France,
It was the whole nations war, not just the leader and the army, all were involved and pressing forward in a sense.
. . .
What's the long term plan for Israel though?
Seems as though they're a bit in a 'forever war with many of their neighbors.
'Ideally, peace could come about, but if not, is their plan to keep doing targeted strikes at military sources of power large enough to be final dangers? (Such as Nukes)
. . . Is that 'sustainable?
I suppose the Middle East, maybe Iran could lack in the highest tech for hundreds of years.
. . . But as nukes become more common, maybe they'll get their hands on some 'eventually.
Some type of 'peace seems more ideal, but I'm not sure they 'can get peace with some regimes.
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@yachilviveyachali
Yep, I agree with most of what you say you.
There's certainly been no big effort to come to the rescue of Palestinians.
Though NATO was US led coalition, in response to a communist threat.
And certain Americans sure felt threatened by the idea of communism.
Whereas, over here communism was just a cool and radical left wing alternative.