Russian style political assassinations in the US.

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The kid switched parties to vote for Nikki Haley to vote against trump. A relatively easy process while actually committing his hard earned dollars to the democratic party . I don't know why you think trump supporters are tying to murder trump or what type of weird cope that is. 
It's not a coping mechanism genius, you're the one justifying your thirst for political violence by arguing the political affiliation of the individuals who committed those act. I'm just throwing your own bullshit back at you.

Here was never a registered democrat, you're either being manipulated or you're lying.

Regardless, their political ideology is irrelevant. Neither of these acts were part of any organized plot, none of them were derived from any meaningful interpretation of anything that any prominent figure on the left has advocated for, and every prominent figure on the political left rightly condemned this. To claim that somehow every left wing minded individual Isa part of this is beyond stupid. But again, this is all you've got so you'll keep riding that dead hoarse till the sun sets.

The economic freedom index is how I defend my world view and the results of being anti freedom are apparent in Venezuela, North Korea and China. 
Yeah, and Donald Trump is in love with all of the individuals running them.
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I love how DoubleR's doing the typical "mah both sides" gaslighting to suggest only Republicans have ideological purity tests when it's totally clear a Democrat assassinated another Democrat purely on the basis of Ideology.
Do you enjoy arguing with imaginary people? Is there a reason you refuse to engage with the things I've actually said and argued and instead just insist on making it all up?

Republicans just want people to be normal and do normal things like obey the laws get along, and stop fucking shit up, and stop pissing on the ideas that made America.
They prefer their shit on the walls of the US Capitol
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Here was never a registered democrat, you're either being manipulated or you're lying.
Yeah he was too young to register to vote prior to the 2024 election but he gave money to the democratic party.

To claim that somehow every left wing minded individual Isa part of this is beyond stupid. 
Nobody claimed this but I am on Twitter so i know how much most of you celebrate political violence. 
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Yeah he was too young to register to vote prior to the 2024 election but he gave money to the democratic party.
Yeah, he donated $15 to act blue. Everyone knows that. He also grew up in a conservative Trump supporting household and his former classmates said he was clearly conservative in his ideology. He also researched killing many different celebrities. So when it comes to his motive, pretty much everything we know about him conflicts with each other, and yet you take the one factoid that supports your narrative while ignoring the rest. If you were honest you would recognize that his motives are not clear, but you're not, so whatever fits the narrative that is most convenient for you is what it is.

Nobody claimed this but I am on Twitter so i know how much most of you celebrate political violence. 
Yeah, cause Twitter bots are a great representation of what the average person is thinking.

I think I see the problem here...
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. He also researched killing many different celebrities. So when it comes to his motive, pretty much everything we know about him conflicts with each other, and yet you take the one factoid that supports your narrative while ignoring the rest.
So let's look at the facts

1. Donates money to share blue - liberal thing

2. Registers to vote Republican when a bunch of Democrats were shilling for Nikki Haley who is openly fascist.  Could be either thing but probably a liberal thing

3. Kills Republican- 

4. researched celebrities. No evidence any intent to murder random celebrities but he did research them most likely because he is really into celebrity culture or something. Not affiliated with political party but often liberals are caught up in Hollywood culture and go to it for their beliefs.

5. Trump supporting household. Likely got political views from TV and friends like most plebs. Doesn't mean anything 

Do cost benefit analysis for him and it's pretty obvious what he analyzes in his cost benefit analysis that determined killing trump was a good move. It actually could effect politics while a cost benefit analysis for killing a random celebrity makes no sense and it's a leap to think he would merely because he googled a celebrity name. 

Yeah, cause Twitter bots are a great representation of what the average person is thinking.
True 

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Nikki Haley is openly fascist? My god you are deranged.

Only in your world is registering to vote republican a sign of likely Democratic activism.

But the fact that he grew up in a Trump supporting household and his classmates recalled that he was clearly ideologically conservative... Well that means nothing.

Oh, and he also researched Joe Biden's schedule to see when he would be coming to Butler PA, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything either.

You are so obviously cherry picking everything that supports your predetermined narrative while hand waiving away anything that doesn't and completely defying Occam's razor, which shows an incredible deficit in critical thinking.

All of this is of course irrelevant anyway. As I've pointed out multiple times already, the initial claim here is that basically anyone on the left is 'on the side of those who tried to assassinate Trump' which somehow is supposed to justify political violence against the left. So even if we accepted the ridiculous position that the kid was a clear lefty, that still doesn't get us anywhere near what you're trying to argue.

You want political violence and are trying desperately to pretend it's justified. That is so pathetic.
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anyone on the left is 'on the side of those who tried to assassinate Trump'
Just deep state actors . His secret service was scaled back.

Only in your world is registering to vote republican a sign of likely Democratic activism.
It doesn't but a lot of Democrats did register to vote Republican to help Nikki Haley that year. It's not a sign of being conservative given the donations to liberal causes. Why would a hardline Republican try to kill the only real Republican running for president? 

The Republican registration can be explained and I explained it. You have yet to give any explanation for the donation to act blue.

But the fact that he grew up in a Trump supporting household and his classmates recalled that he was clearly ideologically conservative... Well that means nothing.
No it's doubtful that a person donating money to liberals is openly conservative. Also my parents are libtards so it makes sense that he isn't the same as his parents and I doubt his parents are real Republicans either. Don't they have deep state ties?

Oh, and he also researched Joe Biden's schedule to see when he would be coming to Butler PA, but I'm sure that doesn't mean anything either.
I assume it means he wanted to attend a Biden event because he supported him. You probably had a million people doing that. If his real target was Biden I am pretty sure he would have targeted Biden . What is your theory that he was MAGA and since Biden wasn't in town he targeted Trump?
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I don't think you can say it was for attention given no manifesto left. He has great opsec. You also couldn't claim mental illness again because of the great opsec.
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But the fact that he grew up in a Trump supporting household and his classmates recalled that he was clearly ideologically conservative... Well that means nothing.
No it's doubtful that a person donating money to liberals is openly conservative.
This is exactly my point. Here you have two conflicting set of facts, so what do you do?

If you were a rational person who valued the principals of critical thinking you would recognize that this these present problems for either narrative which assumes he was politically motivated.

But what do you do instead? Take the narrative that suits your preferred narrative and disregard the rest.

That's the opposite of how critical thinking works.

Why would a hardline Republican try to kill the only real Republican running for president? 
Black or white fallacy. No one is claiming he was a "hardline" republican. There are plenty of other options, first off all.

Second, no true Scotsman fallacy.

Third, it is easily conceivable that he was a republican that wanted to kill Trump to bring the GOP back to it's small government less taxes roots.

The Republican registration can be explained and I explained it. You have yet to give any explanation for the donation to act blue.
I don't need to, I'm not asserting his motives, you are.

Just because you "can" explain it doesn't mean you did. You have almost no information to work with so it's all highly speculative. That's the point.

I assume it means he wanted to attend a Biden event because he supported him.
Your assumptions are irrelevant. It is easily conceivable he researched Biden's schedule because he would have tried the same with Biden. Same amount of assumptions.

If his real target was Biden I am pretty sure he would have targeted Biden
That's exactly your problem; you begin with the assumption that he had a "real" target, and now you're working backwards to align the evidence to it. Not how it works.

What is your theory that he was MAGA and since Biden wasn't in town he targeted Trump?
The only thing we know for certain is that he wanted to kill a political figure. The conflicting information coupled with clues that he was deeply mentally disturbed suggests that the truth is that simple. Any expansion on that is not only unjustified but conflicts with other established facts, making it irrational.

And just to reiterate again, the motivations of one clearly deranged individual do not in any sense represent an entire political movement, so your original statements remain unjustified. 
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This is exactly my point. Here you have two conflicting set of facts, so what do you do?
I usually try to resolve them using Occam's Razor. We know for example that switching party registration is extremely easy, but donating money is a bit harder. For a kid like that maybe it takes 1 hours to earn $15 for the donation but 5 minutes to switch parties. 

I don't need to, I'm not asserting his motives, you are.
Actually for me to feel like I understand something I need to explain every fact, so if one conflicts I have to use that fact in a way that meshes with the other facts. If you have a theory and a single fact disagrees with it and is unexplained then you failed and if you have no theory you are lazy or disinterested 

That's exactly your problem; you begin with the assumption that he had a "real" target, and now you're working backwards to align the evidence to it. Not how it works.
Why wouldn't he? Why would it be random AI am trying to do a cost benefit analysis here in his shoes and random politician doesn't make sense, plus there are some facts that don't fit the narrative.

The conflicting information coupled with clues that he was deeply mentally disturbed 
Want he like an engineering student or something suggesting an IQ of probably around 130?

It seems like his brain could work fine 


Anyway don't respond to me here. You forced me to do a bit of a deep dive and I didn't let on to what my true theory is. I will start a new thread and discuss because I don't want the theory to get lost but it just involves challenging some of my own cognitive dissonance. The evidence isn't easy to resolve because so much is contradictory just like other recent high profile assassinations and attempts. The fact the assassins could be used to support multiple political scenarios is very important and the reason is because usually this is how propaganda campaigns begin. You look for or create stories that can be used in different ways to play the ends against the middle. So for example you start a rumor of government funds going towards giving native Africans aids under the guise of Covid vaccines. This narrative is appealing to libertarians because of government involvement, conservatives for the same reason, African Americans due to distrust of the intentions of these types of things and everyone has a different grip but all gripes amount to a type of hatred of the current regime.  

So the fact that these cases are people that intelligence agencies would love to pick us concerning. Crooks was also using foreign encrypted apps so there is potential he had a foreign handler helping him on the low . 
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it takes 1 hours to earn $15
Thats why I dont work.

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