Skyrim Mafia Day 1

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NO! We vote Savant or Mikal only. Please do not policy outside that.
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So your point is "lynch your townread because I believe scum will be on whatever other lynch is setup." That's not a super convincing argument for why Savant is scum.
How would scum preferring one lynch to another not be strong evidence that the lynch they prefer is more likely to be town?
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Even if we don’t get a lynch correct in dp1 the odds of finding scum will be relatively easier to narrow down by locking them in like this the further we go
But they can block off or redirect protectives and kill the investigatives. Whereas now that is riskier.
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Whiteflame needs to hammer savant just in case savant is town and trying to draw a lynch. 
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Never thought I would hear myself say this, but AR actually makes a good point here.
He is making a ton of good points in my opinion which is why I scheduled an appointment with my psychologist on friday
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I have stopped reading RMS posts for now. 

Lmk if we want to mass claim at 6 today. I think the split will be obvious. I need earth to answer about fake claims first. 

He is just ignoring my 

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Request 
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I am open to switch to Mikal if he doesn't vote Savant soon.
I town read Mikal. I will literally lynch anyone but town reads so I am pretty open but not with him. It isn't a strong read but it's something 
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He said it in signups. No fakeclaims given. I noticed it and mentioned I support it.
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@WyIted
solve it dp2. Today get savant finished off.

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6PM cst. Mass claim 

If you don’t, You die 

Savant will claim them and if it’s scummy we yeet him. I have a pretty strong suspicion on theme 
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But I think they annoyance is town. I’d rather see what he pulls out 

6pm on the dot cst
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You have to answer this. You can at least say abstain but you need to say if you are not comfortable giving it. 

Yes or abstain as it affects what we are doing?
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Just saw this. Can you link the post. On my phone 
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Yeah 6pm 


I am pretty confident scum will not get this theme split 

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@Mikal
This is the wrong situation for a massclaim.
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@WyIted
We cannot enforce this at all. People can have irl stuff turn up.
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If Savant ends up escaping by this, it truly is gamethrow by Town.
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I am not voting anybody who does not claim except Savant.

This approach is not wise.

You are allowing Savant to get away with what he did and arming Mafia with an entire rolemap of Town.
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Please vote Savant to prevent the role leaks.
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@Casey_Risk
Savant is voting you.

Another 4 piling on you is foreseeable.

I wont scumread you voting him. Trust me, vote him. We just then need a hammerer
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Catching up.
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@Lunatic
Interesting... Like this reads as scum buddying (to me the reasons people are scum reading savant seem pretty valid) but you've also been accused of scum buddying him multiple times at this point, and you'd know how this stance would look as scum, so maybe it's legit?
I've watched Savant play often enough by now that I have a pretty good idea of the differences between his scum and town behaviors. If that reads as scum buddying, I don't know what to tell you.

If savant is refusing to fake claim, its not for lack of "being able to find a fake claim" imo, it's just that its clearly working for him. Threatens town with a d1ck comparing contest and towns too nervous to mislynch to take the contest. Okay but that breeds a lot more of that behavior in the future, it's something we've seen time and time again with people (even myself). 

Personally if I am getting pushed to claim early and I do not agree with the reasons, I'd just lie as town about my role (if I am a power role, otherwise just be truthful). Refusing to claim outright is almost always scummy, or seen as scummy, if we don't lynch him now he's gonna be on the back of half the playerlists minds the whole game. I think there needs to be a clear line with this drawn. If savant had a very good reason drawn out for why he shouldn't claim that is different, but if he is playing drastically different that needs to be addressed. And I take that even acknowledging the comments he made dp1 about no doing his list thingy. Savant has historically stuck to his guns more often like this in defending himself as scum than town, so no matter what its a tough pill to swallow. 
Yeah... I've had a chance to think about this overnight and the more I've read through the responses to his behavior this DP, the more I'm coming around to this opinion. It's standing on principle to a certain extent, but I agree that we don't want to encourage this kind of behavior and, as you and others have mentioned, he's far from the first to operate this way and get his comeuppance for it. I also get that he's going to remain in PoE regardless just for being this intransigent, so there's a valid reason to consider taking him off the table for that reason alone.
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Vote Savant please.
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@WyIted
How would scum preferring one lynch to another not be strong evidence that the lynch they prefer is more likely to be town?
I agree that, if I know someone is scum and they prefer a lynch, that suggests the person they prefer to lynch is more likely to be town. I don't know how that applies here.

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@WyIted
Whiteflame needs to hammer savant just in case savant is town and trying to draw a lynch. 
I'm willing to hammer Savant at this point, so it's mainly a matter of when. It's become clear that a lot of people support the massclaim idea. I still oppose it, but I'm not just going to unilaterally end the DP to get my way. If enough people want the massclaim, I'll wait for the time, claim, and then hammer after that.

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@AdaptableRatman
Vote Savant please.
See my response to WyIted.

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@whiteflame
Vote Savant please. Ignore Wylted.
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Vote Savant please. Ignore Wylted.
I don't know why you have a problem with my saying that I'll be the hammer. I've tagged all the people either on this vote or who have said they would be. If we get to four votes and everyone's good with it, I'll hammer.