Skyrim Mafia Day 1

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@Mikal
When I was pressuring you a few games back two games in a row. You got to a spot where you told me to fuck off and just lynch you basically. Everyone gets there. My point is lynching him to prove a point is something scum would do or allow to happen 
Responding with this really bugs me, dude. Yes, I got pissed. Yes, I said just to lynch me. Note that, despite all that, I still full claimed and made a case for myself. I understand where Savant's coming from all the more because of that experience, but that doesn't mean I condone his decision to continue to be intransigent. You can disagree with that take, but Pie and Luna are right that Savant is just going to exist in permanent PoE if he continues past this DP, and RM is at least correct about how the numbers game is going to work if we try to form a separate wagon. 
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@Mikal
Nah on policy. I’m also refusing to claim 

So we don’t need to do the mass claim. You guys can figure out the game. 
Okay, great. We just won’t mass claim. Fine with me. If Savant flips scum, you’re probably next anyways
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That’s fine. You can go ahead and vote me today instead if you want. 
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@Mikal
That’s fine. You can go ahead and vote me today instead if you want. 
If you want to play your way or highway, sure
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To note : I actually think savant not defending himself is odd. It’s possible he’s scum. 

I’m just not lynching on a policy lynch and when it’s my turn I’ll vote myself. 


Pie Wylted 
Wf Luna 
Casey other guy 
Savant +1


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Lmk. I’m happy to hammer myself if we want to swap 
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Vote Savant please. 
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The difference between me and pie, is that I won't black list you, ill just support lynching you every game, or just straight up killing you as scum and ensure you have a horrible time playing in every game until you stop this sh1t. We've done it before to people who tried this nonsense we will do it again. I suggest pie changes his mind and join me in the attempt to just lynch you in every game instead of quitting mafia. 
Ya I’m comfortable doing that. Odds are that he roles scum one game anyways. Policy lynch is the way
So...literally the same thing you're accusing me of? If you policy lynch me rather than playing to my win con, is that not "game throwing" by your standard? I mean it's a strategy meant to encourage certain long-term behavior, which is the same as what my strategy is. Why is it game throwing when I do it but not when you do it?

Also I'm being held to a very different standard than everyone else. GP claimed every game first thing even as a power role, but that was seen as "just what GP does" and not game throwing.

Lynching me every game is already what you've been doing basically. You'll find I have nothing to lose here, and if you somehow get the entire rest of the town to lynch me every game, then you've made my point for me. I know you don't have the skills to behaviorally read me, but soon everyone else will know it too.
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*rather than playing to your win con
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@Savant
If your town is just vote yourself. Easier to prove a point 
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Also not voting Mikal. He's towny to me, and I'd probably just get lynched tomorrow (even though I've literally said the not claiming thing only applies day 1). But yeah, I have nothing to gain by somehow moving the lynch off of me today.
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@Mikal
If your town is just vote yourself. Easier to prove a point
I have principles. I won't punish town just for putting me at L-1, nor will I punish town members who haven't voted me yet. I will only allow town to punish itself.
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Also self-voting is literally game throwing, just refusing to claim isn't.
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@Savant
Fair enough. More morals than me. 
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If they are voting you for that , should just go ahead and swap to me as I’m 10x worse. At least you have a high ground to stand on. Id do it to teach a lesson on policy lynching. I got people so mad for a bit they were night killing me np1
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VOTE COUNT

Savant (4/5) - Ratman, Wylted, Pie, WF
Casey (1/5) - Savant
WF (1/5) - Mikal
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You know, I might also just start lying about my role every game. People will either have to start lynching me for claiming the cop, or the actual cop will have to out themselves. But I don't really want to do that, it feels petty for no reason.
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@Mikal
It truly does amaze me how Lunatic, ex-military can stay as your friend.

Your attitude lasts about a hot 2 hours in their bootcamps.
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@Savant
We can blacklist you both. Easily.

Theyre too soft so they let you play. Id just ban.
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Okay earth is being oddly mom responsive both in pms and here about the fake claim question. I know he said none were given in the other thread but it’s odd that he’s outright Ignoring every question I ask him 
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@Savant
That’s typically the backup play tbh 
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Imagine having a friend that you can agree to disagree with outside of a forum game. I know it’s a foreign concept. We also rage at each other in other games from time to time. Doesn’t change the fact he’s been one of my best friends for like 12 years. 

He’s also smart enough to know I bluff and reaction test a lot. 

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@Savant
You think scum is on the wagon or innactive 

I’ll death tunnel for you 
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Earth not answering me really really has me sus of wylted and pie for reasons I’m not saying yet 
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@Mikal
You think scum is on the wagon or innactive
I think they were on the wagon earlier. My main scum read is still Casey, I think they were on the wagon opportunistically and then realized a bit late that not being on the wagon was the better play. I mean I wouldn't put all bets on that though, because you'll probably learn more day 2.
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@Savant
My gut is really pulling me to wylted pie 

The more I read back

I think Luna is town
I think rm is town 
I think you are town 
I think wf is tilt 

Which leads me to think scum is between the innactives or all over this lynch 

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@Mikal
Take a deep breath irl. Leave a gap.

In, deep breath, out slowly. 

Gap.

In.

Vote Savant.

Out.
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Nope 
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@Mikal
I am empathetic that you got pitted against me with him as a partner.

It is not an easy spot to win from. I am a ruthless beast at this gams and had an investigative PR claim letting me gain traction fast.

You ultimately can save us all time and hammer or throw a tantrum and then what?

Nothing.
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@Savant
So...literally the same thing you're accusing me of? If you policy lynch me rather than playing to my win con, is that not "game throwing" by your standard? I mean it's a strategy meant to encourage certain long-term behavior, which is the same as what my strategy is. Why is it game throwing when I do it but not when you do it?
Cause I’m doing it in reaction to you? If you’re throwing, then idrc about the game, so I’m going to throw. Doesn’t make a difference to me one way or another. This has been a long standing rule. Claim or get lynched. It really is that simple.

Also I'm being held to a very different standard than everyone else. GP claimed every game first thing even as a power role, but that was seen as "just what GP does" and not game throwing.
I refuse to play with GP. If you want to play with him, that’s on you. And the meta you described is true, but it’s gotten him caught multiple times as scum.

Lynching me every game is already what you've been doing basically.
We’ve lynched you once lmfao, which was last game. The game before, you lived and your selfishness lost us the game. Stop being selfish.

You'll find I have nothing to lose here, and if you somehow get the entire rest of the town to lynch me every game, then you've made my point for me. I know you don't have the skills to behaviorally read me, but soon everyone else will know it too.
I honestly don’t care. As I said, if you are town, I’m pretty sure I know what your role is, and in the long run, it will benefit us believe it or not. And your behavior of jot claiming is objectively scummy. That’s what scum do. And I’m not going to sit here and make this a precedent. You’re going to be lynched every game DP1 if you do not claim. Period. Full stop. Even if you’re not scum this game, you’re going to be scum at some point and you’re going to get lynched. Pretty simple really