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@ILikePie5
What range is the first name of your character in?
M-Z
btw will be going into sleep coma shortly, just got back from fishing trip been up almost 48 hours
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As a general rule, I'm opposed to massclaims in DP1. It's not how I'd want to catch scum in any game because it doesn't require anything beyond just parsing how well scum can fake a claim in short order and putting it up to luck that they can avoid a CC. I get that it would probably be effective, but this kind of meta strategy just rubs me the wrong way. All I can see this doing is essentially requiring mods to give scum fake claims, since it just penalizes scum for not having access to them.
If we want to do this in DP2, we can discuss it then. And if a majority want to pursue this strategy in DP1, then I'll go along.
It’s useless dp2. We need to consent and do it all together. If it’s effective. It has to be done at the same time and claims stick out.
Dp2 it’s worthless.
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@whiteflame
Nonsense. If it catches scum and isnt cheating you should support it.
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@Mikal
I want massclaim if I get to push an order. I want Savant to put first. No crying. No whining.
Then I want Lunatic second. Then WF. Then Ultra. Then Pie. Then you. Then Casey.
If we massclaim in no order, it pets Luna sleep and lets players like Savant and Mikal stomp their foot and throw a strop.
Feet*
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@AdaptableRatman
An order is not good. It’s better to set a time and you all post. If you don’t, you go out. It stops POE or adjusting claims last min. Also increases the chance of a cc
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@Mikal
No. Your idea is cute but lets the obedient claim faster and the footstompers to stall.
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@AdaptableRatman
If they stall on an agreed time. You vote then out.
It’s the only way mass claims work. Like ever really
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@Mikal
@AdaptableRatman
I gave my reasoning for not supporting it. Regardless of whether it's actually successful, it's not how I want to win. I'd rather figure the game out behaviorally and enjoy the time than put everything on a gambit that places everyone's claims out in the open. I've never supported a massclaim in DP1 before and that's not changing now.
If you guys want it, get enough support behind it. I'll live with being frustrated if that's what a majority of players decide they want.
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@whiteflame
There is 0 dirty about it, it hurt Town a lot too, Scum get a complete map of all our chars and likely roles.
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@whiteflame
Mafia is a game where Town needs to realise there are 0 good guys.
We are the vile villains to Mafia and they are to us.
The better gang wins.
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@AdaptableRatman
I didn't say it was dirty, that's not my problem with it. We clearly disagree on what strategies we prefer.
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@whiteflame
I do not prefer it.
It has drawbacks.
For this situation with 2 major PRs already outed, it may help Scum more.
I see pressure. I see that Town wants a game of high pressure, squirming, pushing, pulling, all of it.
Aaaaaa have a dream!
That Town and Scum can play together as respectful opponents, oh lord almaaaatee.
Nice soft.
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@AdaptableRatman
Well, then it's up to you whether you'll support it, preference or not.
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@AdaptableRatman
Why do you keep posting that savant is voting Mikal
Because I keep fucking up. One second.
VOTE COUNT
Ratman (2/5) - Savant, Ultra
Savant (2/5) - Ratman, Wylted
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@whiteflame
Considering how inaccurate his percentage reads have been in previous games (he spent much of the Game Show Mafia game scumreading me), I don't think these would be hard to fake at all. If anything, all he'd need is the right slant and plenty of posts he'd claim to use to "back up" his views. I get that it's a lot of effort, but that effort can be put to legitimate and illegitimate use with relatively similar investment.
Maybe they weren't super accurate, but the utility in giving your reads isn't just so that you can try to convince others to vote for who you suspect, it's also to have a clearly described thought process that others can follow, allowing them to point out any weird pivots or changes in playstyle. Even if it can be done as scum (and of course, scum often do give detailed reads), it still takes a lot of effort, as you yourself just admitted to. The fact that Savant is backing out of taking that effort is worthy of suspicion imo.
Lest I be labeled a hypocrite, however, I do have reads of my own to share now that we're a few pages in and there's some substance to comment on. A detailed reads list will have to wait until later, but for now, my top town reads are Wylted and Pie, while my top scum reads are Savant and Owen. Also, tilt town on Mikal and tilt scum on WF. I'll expand on my read on Owen in my next post, probably during my 'lunch' break (it's not really lunch since it's in the evening but I consider it my lunch anyway). I think there might be something there.
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@Casey_Risk
Wylted is confirmed Town so reading him is futile.
I am unsure what your read on me is.
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@AdaptableRatman
You're in null, mainly because I'm actually not sure how to read you right now. Again, I'll expand later when I'm less busy.
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@Casey_Risk
I take that as a compliment.
I am very hard to read.
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@Casey_Risk
Maybe they weren't super accurate, but the utility in giving your reads isn't just so that you can try to convince others to vote for who you suspect, it's also to have a clearly described thought process that others can follow, allowing them to point out any weird pivots or changes in playstyle. Even if it can be done as scum (and of course, scum often do give detailed reads), it still takes a lot of effort, as you yourself just admitted to. The fact that Savant is backing out of taking that effort is worthy of suspicion imo.
The difference is notable, but what you said was that it takes more effort for him to do this as scum, which just isn’t true. All that would change is the way he interprets each line that’s coming from his partner, and not necessarily even that. He could interpret everything the same way he would as town, even if that means bussing his partner.
As for whether the lack of effort makes him scummy, I guess that’s up to some interpretation, but I don’t think Savant would make shifts like this as scum. Dude knows well enough that he gets targeted for those shifts.
Lest I be labeled a hypocrite, however, I do have reads of my own to share now that we're a few pages in and there's some substance to comment on. A detailed reads list will have to wait until later, but for now, my top town reads are Wylted and Pie, while my top scum reads are Savant and Owen. Also, tilt town on Mikal and tilt scum on WF. I'll expand on my read on Owen in my next post, probably during my 'lunch' break (it's not really lunch since it's in the evening but I consider it my lunch anyway). I think there might be something there.
So why are you scumreading me, exactly? Because I’m defending Savant and you’re scumreading him? This is a lot to drop without much explanation as to why.
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@whiteflame
If you are Town, sheep me.
Trust. Not trolling. I legitimately scumread Savant for multiple reason.
I am a very good psychonalaytical reader. His psyche is scummy this game.
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@whiteflame
So why are you scumreading me, exactly? Because I’m defending Savant and you’re scumreading him? This is a lot to drop without much explanation as to why.
Big reaction to a tilt scum... And no, it's not because you're defending Savant. I don't view defending someone I scumread as inherently scummy. It's a combination of you providing a very large spectrum for your softclaim (A-M is half the alphabet) combined with not really giving me any particular reason to townread you yet. Granted, you're not the only person to choose a large span, nor the first one, but Pie is a pretty solid town read for me and I also scumread Ultra/Owen. Luna could go either way but there is an actual scumtell I picked up on in the last game that made me lightly sus him (I was actually considering making a case for him and Pie being the team before Banana came in with her claim). Pie knows what I'm talking about, and so far I haven't seen it yet. Plus, there's another, subtler thing that's hard to put into words, which I'll get into later.
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@Casey_Risk
If WF is scum his most likely partner is Savant.
Notice he pushed me vs Wylted and Pie after having every reason to rethink the game.
Then suddenly he chickens out of it all open to townread both Wylted and me and goes with the flow yet won't vote Savant with myself and Wylted both voting him.
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@WyIted
I think our best path here is to fully push on Savant. Like rally the troops.
The Town is second guessing a lot. You are the leader by being clear. Push harder on Savant please.
Anyway, #214 and #215 from Ultra caught my attention. It's weird to me that he would vote for Ratman while asking if he is normally this aggressive as town... After multiple players had already backed off of him for playing the way he normally does. And this also came after he said he was going to get caught up. This post is then immediately followed up by an urge for a prompt massclaim.
This might all be nothing, but (and I've said this in the previous two games as well) DP1 is the time to look into these nothing things, simply because we have little information to go off of. For a short while at the beginning of this game, it was looking like Ratman might actually have been turbolynched before everyone even had a chance to post. Idk, something about Ultra voting for AR and also immediately joining the crowd calling for a massclaim just seems like him being overly opportunistic to me.
I will readily admit, however - Owen and Savant are the two players who get scumread pretty consistently on here as either alignment, so it does make me feel like I may be barking up the wrong tree with them as my top two scum reads. Nonetheless, I think this angle is at least worth considering, and I'd rather push one of them for a claim than push for a massclaim, personally.
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@AdaptableRatman
If WF is scum his most likely partner is Savant.
Disagree, I think WF knows better than to tie himself to his scum partner this early in the game, and I don't think he'd do it and rely on WIFOM either.