Skyrim Mafia Day 1

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Disregard 


Low-key read it as genuine frustration over scum 
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It’s useless dp2. We need to consent and do it all together. If it’s effective. It has to be done at the same time and claims stick out. 

Dp2 it’s worthless. 
Why is it worthless DP2?
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@Mikal
This is odd for you?
It really doesn't matter. I've got at best a few minutes before someone hammers me, and I'm not claiming.
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@Savant
Full claim now. It is gamethrowing not to. You have 1 vote left to hammer you.
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@Savant
Not claiming at L-1 (I prefer to say Elimination-1) is suicide and gamethrow.
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Full claim now.
Godfather

I'll let you decide if that's sarcasm or not.
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One vote man that's too close for comfort

Unvote 


We still have time to make sure this decision is right 
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@Mikal
Dude this is literal GT. He has to claim fast. He is trying to buy time to get a good fake fron partner. Thats my read. His partner likely is afk rn making me townread you more than before.
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Oh godfather lol . I believe you for some reason

VTL savant
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@WyIted
He is buying time do not let him.

Force it. Now.
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Lunatic is the most likely partner.

WF would more likely have prepared him with a fakeclaim.
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@ILikePie5
To much time to build and see flips. Only time mass claims work is off the rip and when they have no flaw claims. It usually always wins if done right but no one is agreeing to it 
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Please investigate Luna this NP.
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The only thing that sticks out to me about savant is the lack of posting and effort compared to normal. It’s extremely different from the past 2 games. I would be okay with him full claiming if we weren’t doing a mass claim but he said we’d have to kill him.  I almost feel bad bullying him but his behavior this game is certainly not on base with his normal style of play. Like glaringly so 
It’s not bullying to ask him to full claim. At least 2 townies have him as scum. It’s his job to exonerate himself and give up his claim, or succumb to his fate.
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It’s not bullying to ask him to full claim. At least 2 townies have him as scum. It’s his job to exonerate himself and give up his claim, or succumb to his fate.
We can do this dance every game if that's what you insist on. You'll just going to have to lynch me day 1 every time.
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@Savant
Genuinely, what is the point in being this intransigent? At least play to your wincon.
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@Mikal
Dude, give 1 good reason to stall this hammer.

Give 1 reason.
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Because it reads as town frustration. If I was getting pressured like that. I’d tell town to fuck itself and then lol when I flipped. 
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@Casey_Risk
I'd like some feedback on my thoughts on Ultra first, but I'm okay with pushing Savant for a claim. 
I agree with your analysis on Owen, but he immediately gave up his first letter. That + the ask for a mass claim is either overconfident scum or town imo. 
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He got killed early for playing his wincon last game and he’s getting targeting it. I read all that as annoyance. 

The only thing that sticks out where I actually scum read him a bit is activity 
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@Savant
Savant idk how much you know about me, I am good ar mafia like top 3% of humans probably and that is not a joke. If I go down as scum, I make sure my partner(s) look(s) towny as possible and if I am Town I weigh up whether I go follower or leader based on role and setup and lean into it.

This game I leaned into leading hard. High pressure was optimal.

You don't realise how good I am and think I am picking what I see as an easy target. That is not true at all.
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@Savant
We can do this dance every game if that's what you insist on. You'll just going to have to lynch me day 1 every time.
I’m just not going to play then, and I suspect others will join me. If you’re not going to play to your wincon, then I’m wasting my time anyways
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@Mikal
Then you are a gamethrowing tantrum thrower.

I never ever have GTd in my history here even when very frustrated.
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I’m just not going to play then, and I suspect others will join me.
Mikal does literally the same thing. Why is it only a problem when I do it?
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@Mikal
He got killed early for playing his wincon last game and he’s getting targeting it. I read all that as annoyance. 
Townies die all the time. Just cause he’s town doesn’t mean he can’t be lynched by other townies. POE is our best friend and his job is to reduce that POE by claiming. If we don’t like his claim, his lynch helps the POE of those 2 townies at the minimum

The only thing that sticks out where I actually scum read him a bit is activity 

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@Savant
I was voted early last game without showing up.

This game I was piled on instantly. Now I am running the show.

You can fullclaim now or get voted off.
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I don’t think it’s not playing to a wincon. If I did get forced to claim I’d lie if I was actually going to get lynched (Espc if power role) Really just depends how I feel. But if someone doesn’t want to claim, I am not faulting them for that. 

I just don’t give Into pressure. My take has always been if you think I’m scum then hammer me. Trust your read. 
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You don't realise how good I am
If you're that good, shouldn't you be able to tell whether I'm town or not without me claiming?
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@Mikal
Try that on any proper mafia site youll get banned eventually.
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Mikal does literally the same thing. Why is it only a problem when I do it?
If he does it, I’m not playing with him either. And I frankly won’t next game. It’s a waste of my time if he’s going to throw for the shits and giggles. It’s not playing to your wincon to avoid claiming when you’re L-1 and know at least 2 townies sus you