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I think if we do it, has to be you and pie. I'm largely useless atm because I need a dead target. If you both are willing, I think it would help with poe. I'd lke to think out every scenario 


if RM is scum, then the game just opens up but for him to be scum he would have to have claimed dreamer and a semi important character off the rip without a CC. It's possible to go balls to the wall and risk it, I just find it hard to do that with no fake claims 
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I’m not even suggesting the results could be fake, just that it could be a scum investigator that shares results in a mason PM. Is it really that bastard or out of the question? Because if we are assuming it is and unwilling to consider it otherwise, and he is scum we are giving him the game.
But what scum investigator explicitly says “XXXX is innocent.” Thats the issue here. 

I could see myself as mod making a role like that just to teach the lesson of “behavior over role analysis” but I do see why people feel that way .
That’s true, but it truly is a bastard role because the mod himself is involved in this. If there’s a scum role where Wylted forces Earth to say certain things like “XXXX is innocent” and “only in the night,” then I will chaulk it up to a bastard role/mod. You have to draw the trust line somewhere in a game of misinformation, otherwise you’re just going in circles. This is my line.
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I am debating if I think RM is town locked. If he is town locked, then by default it has to be Casey. No other options. I think the results could help that, so I'd be interested to see how we can narrow down poe. 
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I agree with pie on this. If we consider that role is in the game, literally anything is possible. I will eat the loss if wylted is able to make the mod give results or has a role that influences that. 

I would consider pie and wylted and was stuck on this until you say you can confirm pie. So if you can confirm pie that limits a lot of scenarios playing out. 
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are you guys willing to give you result with luna. On god, i'd rather just mass claim at this point. Wanted to last dayphase and now im very interested in it for poe
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If it comes down to you claiming I will just put more information so the decision is more clear today. No biggie. I think we just lynch Casey. I also will put more information if whiteflame feels forced to claim so the decision today is more clear. I don't think we need to give scum more information though and me and Pie share a PM so there is no risk of the information we share going away absent a silencer 
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I think if we do it, has to be you and pie. I'm largely useless atm because I need a dead target. If you both are willing, I think it would help with poe. I'd lke to think out every scenario 
I don’t really care that I die as long as Wylted lives. I’m also reasonably sure I know what Luna is softing about me. But trust me and Wylted when we say we have a solid reason to assume Casey is scum

if RM is scum, then the game just opens up but for him to be scum he would have to have claimed dreamer and a semi important character off the rip without a CC. It's possible to go balls to the wall and risk it, I just find it hard to do that with no fake claims 
It’s possible but unlikely imo. Cause he claimed in a matter of minutes. Luna from my POV can still be scum and he’s just “fake” confirming me to Buddy me
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But what scum investigator explicitly says “XXXX is innocent.” Thats the issue here. 
Why is that an issue?

That’s true, but it truly is a bastard role because the mod himself is involved in this. If there’s a scum role where Wylted forces Earth to say certain things like “XXXX is innocent” and “only in the night,” then I will chaulk it up to a bastard role/mod. You have to draw the trust line somewhere in a game of misinformation, otherwise you’re just going in circles. This is my line.
I’m fine with that but if it ends up being true I will laugh and probably point out that maybe we should change our mindset about stuff like that. But for the sake of argument I can accept that most people would probably feel that way and maybe earth would have taken that into account so I can agree to the logic. Also because I don’t remember earth ever really doing anything like that before. It honestly though just feels kind of broken to have two players that can be town confirmed like that from scum’s POV.
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Pie Wylted - (very unlikey)
Pie - Luna (cannot exist)
Casey (+1)
Rm (+1) - Rm + luna would be very interesting as luna can totally build fake claims


RM - has town cred for the instant claim and mod confirmation there is no fake claims. So a lot of this from behavior and the instant claim is making me think casey. I am pretty stuck on that because of the circle jerk between luna wylted and pie. 
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are you guys willing to give you result with luna. On god, i'd rather just mass claim at this point. Wanted to last dayphase and now im very interested in it for poe
I gave mine to Wylted last DP, so I would prefer to be last when and if we claim. If Luna wants to reveal, that’s his perogative
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Would you claim?

I can't shake this pie wylted thing. The only thing that is making me not go after them is your confirmation. Keep in mind if you are wrong, they are just going to lead the game. Imagine they both are scum (they know casey and I are town). They will lynch one of us and then turn RMS dreamer result on the other. and then its gg. 

Only reason I am not looking at this more is you are confirming pie and that totally negates that possibility if you are correct. 
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If all three of you vote yes I’ll go ahead and claim. It’s no biggie if it helps us get a lynch through POE I’ll consider the trade worth it
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Why is that an issue?
Why would the mod randomly say that in our channel? 

I’m fine with that but if it ends up being true I will laugh and probably point out that maybe we should change our mindset about stuff like that. But for the sake of argument I can accept that most people would probably feel that way and maybe earth would have taken that into account so I can agree to the logic. Also because I don’t remember earth ever really doing anything like that before. It honestly though just feels kind of broken to have two players that can be town confirmed like that from scum’s POV.
Well I’m only confirmed because of you. Otherwise I could still be in a pool with myself + 1 of myself + Wylted. It’s not really that broken.
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I likely am overthinking and it's just casey but I have no choice but to put wylted away with luna confirming pie. It's not even possible he's scum if pie is confirmed town
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That's a fair point by Mikal. I have no strong interest in whether lunatic claims or not as a result of that logic
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Mikal has a point with his confirmation resting on you I was pretty sure we could lynch Casey with no further information but I think town may be over powered here so I support your claim. 
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I would like to know how you are so sure, cus I feel like you would think harder on pie and wylted as just roflingstomping us as some of the points I brought up are still very valid and I've only dropped them becuase you confirmation of pie clears wylted. 
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Why would the mod randomly say that in our channel?
Like I said, it just makes it a strong scum role since it appears to confirm him, though it technically doesn’t have anything to do with confirming him.

Well I’m only confirmed because of you. Otherwise I could still be in a pool with myself + 1 of myself + Wylted. It’s not really that broken.
Fair but still otherwise scum would be forced to use a night kill on one of you to basically accomplish the same thing, and potentially up to two afterwards which can be argued to be kind of busted because they have to waste so many night kills or risk letting a confirmed player live after killing one while they hunt other PRs.


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I have a larger theory about what is actually happening here, and don't want to say it because I think it kills a gambit i suspect is happening
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how sure are you pie is town. Can you say for certain. I've asked this before because I want an honest answer. 
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I think Pie said something very important that gives away a lot. I would love to hear what luna says to break this down more but I have a sneaking theory about what is actually happening. 
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Like I said, it just makes it a strong scum role since it appears to confirm him, though it technically doesn’t have anything to do with confirming him.
I mean ya, but forcing a mod to say something to me is a bastard role. I’m willing to take the L if this is a completely new role Earth designed. The line is there for me.

Fair but still otherwise scum would be forced to use a night kill on one of you to basically accomplish the same thing, and potentially up to two afterwards which can be argued to be kind of busted because they have to waste so many night kills or risk letting a confirmed player live after killing one while they hunt other PRs.
Ya but you also have to consider that Wylted doesn’t know if I’m town or scum. He could have recruited scum in which case POE is easier for scum to do.
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If Casey is town he is scum. So which means you and him would be the scum team. I don't think RM can be scum so it's my opinion that it is extremely unlikely he is scum 
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Casey (2/5) - Ratman, Pie

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Well both pie and Wylted said they are indifferent so I guess I’ll just claim. I am the doctor. My character is is Ulfric the leader of the stormcloaks  and the Jarl of wind helm. My justification is basically that after I learned the voice from the greybeards I became disillusioned from the state of the empire and ran off to form the stormcloaks. Since I eventually killed the high king of Skyrim and started a war, I am the doctor because I protected my people with my life.

Night phase one I targeted pie because he is often an early kill and he was claiming to be confirmed with Wylted so I thought there was a high chance scum would have motive to kill him.

There was no night kill last night. So either I protected him or that gamble I referred to earlier happened and pie took the most astronomical guess ever that I was the doctor and targeted him  and forfeited the night kill for confirmation. There is technically a 5% chance that happened but again I don’t really but that at all.
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Yeah pie said you were doctor in the PM. Probably at least one scum team member picked up on it also. No major loss to claim here. 
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that or you both are scum and could have waived to build a doc claim but that would assume you were fed fake claims which the mod says didn't happen. 

Have to buy that. 
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so yeah

I have to decide whether it's RM or Casey
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Ya but you also have to consider that Wylted doesn’t know if I’m town or scum. He could have recruited scum in which case POE is easier for scum to do.
Under the theory he is just scum though, it also makes sense why he never seemed to have any wavering doubt that you were town though… 
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I could see lunatic being scum but I don't know that he needed to give pie more town cred at that point.