...alright then, wasn't expecting this thing to start on before Sunday. I'll do what I can today, but activity's going to be limited until tomorrow.
Give me a bit and I'll contribute what I can tonight.
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@Mikal
Fishing for what? Casey fished for your character and other info that may help either side actually (if you are Town) I tried to stop it.
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@Mikal
Alright, I wasn't very familiar with Clementine Ford so I looked her up. Turns out, there's two Clementine Fords who have Wikipedia articles, and they both seem like they could be in the game. I presume you are this one? I can see her being Hated. Makes more sense than the other Ford at least.
I think you were already trying to open the door for the idea a sop claim could be a fake claim. The nah we will kill you later seemed like you were fishing for town cred.
It’s like you want to say something that seems towny but also leave the door open that I could be faking claiming if I’m left alive.
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@Casey_Risk
I don’t know which I am. Literally is like 3 sentences and basically says I want men to die from Covid lol.
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@Mikal
That door is always open... Unless you are proven innocent.
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@Mikal
Show me evidence that others mods say that in their OP here.
You said I lied. So prove it.
Literally the last 3 games. Both earth and Luna said it in there’s and whiteflame clarified it in his. What do you mean prove it. Pretty standard to say whether they exist or not and most mods will answer.
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@AdaptableRatman
- Is it my interaction with Casey that got me voted or was it akin to what happened the previous game where I got replaced in that I get voted no matter what?
Going back to answer these questions - it was your interaction with me. You were hard buddying me for basically no reason.
In this game do you want me to play towards leading Town or following, dp1 at least?
You can play how you want, but if you want to try and take the lead, make sure others are actually going to follow.
Are we forcing claims at E-1 (L-1) or not? Is it forced and liars get blacklisted or is lying and/or not claiming fully allowed?
I think anyone who gets to L-1 will probably claim, given what happened last game. The only one who might not follow that rule is Mikal, but he already SOP claimed.
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@Casey_Risk
Question 3 does not clarify the rule here or punishment
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@Mikal
Earth refused all game but he did say it in signups and to Wylted and Pie somehow.
Luna maybe is the only one who says it.
If you look at other hosts it does not get said at all. That is why I used tonpush for massclaims in situations others said I was being stupid.
No one’s going to get blacklisted. Prob would just get hammered on principle
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@Mikal
I do not think rushing to solve themesplit helps Town here based on that I am assuming fakeclaims are given.
It may even give some hints. If someone sticks out in a 'split'.
I wont spell out more.
Its best to hide that info for now. That is my belief.
If you and Casey want to rush it we may as well all claim boom boom boom
Characters I mean.
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@AdaptableRatman
Question 3 does not clarify the rule here or punishment
There's a distinction between metas and rules, you know. Obviously, I wanted Savant to be lynched last game because I was scum, but I would have been ambivalent about it as town for the actual reasons I gave - he probably wouldn't have done what he did as scum. That being said, I understand why the meta of lynching anyone who doesn't claim exists. Personally, I'd be a lot less lenient about it in this game in the context of the previous one. My point, however, is that the answer isn't really relevant to this game regardless, because I seriously doubt anyone is going to be intransigent at L-1 like Savant was.
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@AdaptableRatman
Luna maybe is the only one who says it.
Well, that's not true. Pie and I are also very forthcoming about whether or not scum have been given fakeclaim assistance. Granted, I was a little less obvious about it in the last game I hosted but I still made it clear there was a fakeclaim mechanic.
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@Casey_Risk
but what about lying about role
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@AdaptableRatman
It may even give some hints. If someone sticks out in a 'split'.I wont spell out more.Its best to hide that info for now. That is my belief.
I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Getting softclaims can cause someone to stick out, which is a useful hint, but we still shouldn't do it because ???
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@Casey_Risk
I know for a fact I am remenbering correctly.
Find games with RM in them, the OP barely clarifies if fakeclaims were given and I usually pushed massclaiming as dp1 progressed or dp2 at least.
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@Casey_Risk
Hint to Mafia of PRs. Since you force me to clarify.
Mod psyche; if theme split isnt thst split then a weirder char probanly was brung to fit a specific pr instead.
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@AdaptableRatman
Considering what happened in The Russian Mafia (you can read that if you want, but TL;DR two different townies lied about their roles and ended up getting themselves lynched), I would very much not recommend lying about your role if you don't have a very good reason to do so. I don't fully agree with the 'lynch all liars' meta but in most situations where someone has lied, it just makes them super sus. I'll repeat what I said in the Endgame thread:
I don't know if the right takeaway here is necessarily to never, ever, do gambits as town, but you have to realize that when you take a gambit, you are assuming the risks that come with it, and you have to be prepared to bare those risks. You can't lie about your character and role and then act righteously indignant when people call you out on it, because your indignance isn't righteous.
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@Casey_Risk
That means literally nothing if blacklisting never happens.
Rules without enforcement don't exist.
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Ratman (1/5): Mikal
Difference between rules and meta, like Casey said. Claim at s1 and never lie is not a rule. It’s a SOP/meta. You don’t have to play by the meta as long as you are willing to take the result. Rules are usually clarified. Don’t screenshot. Don’t copy paste verbatim. Blah blah. How people play is not a rule
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@AdaptableRatman
I'll be honest, I don't really support blacklisting players unless they show a repeated unwillingness to learn or cooperate with other players. Greyparrot is the only person I've played with who I support blacklisting, and he is blacklisted, so nothing more for me to say on that matter. I do think Savant was acting in a very anti-town manner in the last game, but I also think he's probably the most underrated town player here. I mean, he was straight up right about me and WF being the scum team based on relatively little information. He was also the only person to be able to figure out that WF and Earth were a team in Ace Attorney mafia when everyone else was focused on Austin vs Mharman. He's a good player with good reads that often get overlooked. Everyone else can do what they want, but I'm not blacklisting him. Other players are free to express their own opinions on the matter.
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@Mikal
I hope we wait to get reads from others before voting me off. I will out my reads more. This DP is better to drag out.
Kinda like taking an adc mid in league. You do it in diamond and challenger, you prob get slapped but you can get away with it sometimes.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie and myself wanted to blacklist GP years ago. Years make a difference.