Feminist Mafia Day 1

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@Mikal
No a better example is the Baus playstyle.

I support banning Baus' playstyle.
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Also I deactivate 
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Kinda like taking an adc mid in league. You do it in diamond and challenger, you prob get slapped but you can get away with it sometimes. 
I'm going to pretend I understand this sentence and call it a good metaphor.
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Would have tried to bait the nk but dont trust this site to put me at l1 on accident when I’m asleep 
Fair lol
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And Simon is a demon when he plays well. That’s my point. No reason to ban play. It works. Diff between inting and trying something new. 

Not claiming is not inting 
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Anyway I’ll read this shit later I’m not home yet
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@Mikal
One tip for reading me;

Inside this game I am always either pressuring, instigating, manipulating or whatever helps my team win. I always will try and build towncred and always will risk said towncred if I  can get a strong emotional response that garners me info to read someone with.

You think I care about towncred later. I do not.

I always prioritise being townread over incessantly aggravating others (I learned this matters more the hard way if course) but I don't get it. You are punishing me for saying I will leave you for later.

That is not me manipulating you. It is clear. Later we can vote you off. Yes. For now, no point. Its very rare a Scum memebr gets Hated flavour on a site as casual as this about Mafia, right? We cannot even test your role without it backfiring.
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Did scum get fakeclaims? 
Just going to say outright that I won't answer this.
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@Mikal
It is inting actually.

It is also a case of this:

The cause for Baus is rooted in the idea that only someone ofb his IQ, game knowledge and all of ot is entitled to break rules others get permabanned for.

It also ruins enjoyment and the ability of the balancing yeam to ever balance certain aspects of the rift.

People are so fast to abuse Riots balance team and lash out but seriously how can theu balance the characters like Sion and Anivia if Baus's turn up?

I don't care anyway. I quit League a while ago. I just neevr ever understood why the balance team kept getting criticised so severely. I have seen far worse powercreep in games elsewhere.
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Oh I am so shocked... Not.
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@Mikal
I am Town btw. So I recommend reading others. I do think you are Town too. The instant Hated claim either is real or is a gambit to see who rushes to vote you off and skip DP1.

Either way I dig it as a Town move. We need to reduce the friction between us and stomp out scum.
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I am Town btw. So I recommend reading others. I do think you are Town too. The instant Hated claim either is real or is a gambit to see who rushes to vote you off and skip DP1.
I've seen scum fakeclaim SOP roles a couple times, so I won't rush to townread anyone for it anymore. I will say that Clementine Ford isn't an obvious character for this game (I hadn't heard of her before), so I do lean town on Mikal because of it. I'm not considering him a lock yet however.
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When I stop scum reading you I will move. Last game you were obvious town. I don’t feel it this game 
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Ima be honest, I could not tell you one modern feminist if I tried. 
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@Mikal
Ima be honest, I could not tell you one modern feminist if I tried. 
Point taken, though I don't know you well enough to take you at your word for it.
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@Mikal
What gain is there pure tunneling?

Pure tunneling means refusing to read others. At least read others.

I think you are Town and Casey is also.

I noticed that Casey is leading much harder this game. That shift is Towny.
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I am not pure tunneling. I think you are sus so I’m voting you. When others join and start playing. That may change 
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No offense im Blocking you cus you have me blocked and it’s annoying cus I keep having to delete your name when you directly respond to me 
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That is why we must block to punish.
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I want Ultra to talk and reveal things.

Vote Ultra

Now I go for some time.
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Votes:

Ratman (1/5): Mikal
Ultra (1/5): Ratman

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Why Ultra specifically? Is it just because of his low activity last game?
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Hi everyone, I'll be on more tomorrow. I'll give any opinions then. 
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Alright, spent enough time talking about very recent events with my family. I'll catch up and give my thoughts.
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Thought about the idea of Mikal taking a big risk.

The incentives are too much of a net negative. He’s basically guaranteed his death at some point, and he risked getting CCed right out the gate. It guarantees he survives the first DP, but that’s about it.

if that wasn’t enough, the claim checks out. Looked up the character. She seems rather unremarkable, outside of the unhinged things she said. Idk what’s role she could be other than “hated”

So Mikal is an obvious hard townread
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Alright, so 3 pages, but not too much content to cover. Looks like there was a lot of discussion around blacklisting (I'll say straight up that I agree with Mikal and Casey on this front - I think disagreements over strategy and SOP should not be a basis for removing someone from all future games), some discussion of how AR should approach this game based on his own questions (not a lot to say in response to those questions, since they will largely depend on how he wants to play the game and how well he can rally support for a lynch). 

Mikal has claimed Clementine Ford and, after some digging, this does indeed appear to be the woman from Australia who tweeted such gems as “kill all men,” men should be “shot into the sun,” and that Covid wasn’t “killing men fast enough.” Delightful, certainly seems like it merits the Hated label. I hadn't heard of her either. Good news that it sunsets at MYLO/LYLO apparently (if I read Mikal's later response right), so at least it doesn't allow scum to effectively end the game early. He would have had to pull this claim together very quickly and be pretty ballsy to risk a CC to do it, so I do think he's more likely town.

I like seeing all the various theme split ideas from Casey, though I'm going to exercise caution in how far we apply them. It's been a while since I've gone down the theme split rabbit hole, but it often got me lost in the weeds and had me ignoring behavioral reads. There might be some basis for pursuing softclaims as well, but I'm hesitant to narrow the field of character claims early.

As for whether there are fake claims in this game, that depends on Pie's influence. He tends to like to give scum two character and two role claims (as I've been doing in my games), so that may be the case here. Savant may have gone his own way with that part of the setup. Regardless, I don't see them looking at the last game and thinking that the absence of any fake claims for scum was a good idea, so I'm guessing they have something in place.
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I don't think Hated Townie is a particularly risky role to fake claim, especially if you have 2 questions to ask if x role is in the game. I'll town read Mikal because he strikes me as a very methodal player and he posts strike me as him reporting his role, offering a SoP lynch and him saying his role deactivates. 
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Vote Ultra please.
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Hi everyone, I'll be on more tomorrow. I'll give any opinions then. 
This screams to me as Ultra's partner warning him to say hi as I voted him.

If you read the last game, he did sort of introduce yes. He could be Town here, yes. However, he did not at all care much what was going on. Here he noticed it was time to say hi and says hi. It is defensive in a way he never operated in the other game, now he didbhave a role that could overturn a bandwagon on him to a NL.
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I legitimately am going off of Ultra's tiny post and the timing of it.