leshwanda was wrongfully banned.

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Racial slur are not forbidden unless you call another user one. If I remember correctly I felt like the one portion with age requirements and other legal things was good so we kept that and the portion with the punishments listed out
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Didn't Lashwnda call people racial slurs all the time.
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If it was in a friendly way it's permissable. So saying what's up my nigga is fine
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Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions.
The account violates this part of the CoC. Ban is within the scope of CoC.
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I mean Lashwnda was basically online blackface. E-blackface if you will. If someone puts on blackface and starts machine-gunning the N-word in a "friendly" way it's still pretty racist.

Don't be sad. There will be other trolls for y'all to play with.
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That isnt the issue that she got banned for though.

She actively degraded whites, asians of both brown and yellow variation (especially brown) and black men even. She also degraded feminine or gay men as well as poor men.
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If it only counts if directed at a user, then none of that is actionable.
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Some of it was direct directly at lucystarfire. Other stuff was directed at others.
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You weren't Skep by any chance, were you?

No chance anyone remembers how to spell Skep's full DDO name. Don't think I ever bothered to know how to pronounce it, which is the issue.

Skeptsiyama or some shit
Skepsikyma. And that's why I changed it lol. Was contemplating making a new account with just 'Skeps' when I couldn't remember what e-mail I used for this site when I decided to log back on, but then it came to me.
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Hey I could pronounce it then. I was just suffering from being a good speller.

Give us a good G.K Chesterton quote for old times Skep.

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This is Wylteds double standard on display.
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Unwarranted systemic vulgarity and invectives, which may include off topic personal attacks and/or hate speech, are subject to disciplinary actions.
The account violates this part of the CoC. Ban is within the scope of CoC.
Yeah this is the kind of shit that should be purged from the CoC. Personally, I wouldn't invest any time into a website that had 'hate speech' anywhere in its CoC in this day and age, seeing as how broadly it can, and has been, interpreted. CoC should ban repeated targeted harassment in a precise way. And even that could be eliminated by making a block feature that actually works (all user's posts are hidden by default, maybe can unhide them by clicking on them. No @ing both ways).

Personal attacks are also part of debate. The founding fathers were calling one another hermaphrodites. Didn't Douglas call Lincoln like a hatchet-faced nutmeg peddler or something like that? They should be embraced as part of a long and noble tradition.
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I mean Lashwnda was basically online blackface. E-blackface if you will. If someone puts on blackface and starts machine-gunning the N-word in a "friendly" way it's still pretty racist.
We don't want to ban racism and put people in echo chambers where they can be radicalized for extreme violence 
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The Machiavellianism is strong with him.
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Give us a good G.K Chesterton quote for old times Skep.
"The general proposition, not always easy to define exhaustively, that the reign of the capitalist will be the reign of the cad--that is, of the unlicked type that is neither the citizen nor the gentleman--can be excellently studied in its attitude towards holidays. The special emblematic Employer of to-day, especially the Model Employer (who is the worst sort) has in his starved and evil heart a sincere hatred of holidays. I do not mean that he necessarily wants all his workmen to work until they drop; that only occurs when he happens to be stupid as well as wicked. I do not mean to say that he is necessarily unwilling to grant what he would call "decent hours of labour." He may treat men like dirt; but if you want to make money, even out of dirt, you must let it lie fallow by some rotation of rest. He may treat men as dogs, but unless he is a lunatic he will for certain periods let sleeping dogs lie.

But humane and reasonable hours for labour have nothing whatever to do with the idea of holidays. It is not even a question of ten hour days and eight-hours a day; it is not a question of cutting down leisure to the space necessary for food, sleep and exercise. If the modern employer came to the conclusion, for some reason or other, that he could get most out of his men by working them hard for only two hours a day, his whole mental attitude would still be foreign and hostile to holidays. For his whole mental attitude is that the passive time and the active time are alike useful for him and his business. All is, indeed, grist that comes to his mill, including the millers. His slaves still serve him in unconsciousness, as dogs still hunt in slumber. His grist is ground not only by the sounding wheels of iron, but by the soundless wheel of blood and brain. His sacks are still filling silently when the doors are shut on the streets and the sound of the grinding is low."

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Wait low-key didn’t realize it was you lol. Happy to see you man 
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Yeah this is the kind of shit that should be purged from the CoC. Personally, I wouldn't invest any time into a website that had 'hate speech' anywhere in its CoC in this day and age, seeing as how broadly it can, and has been, interpreted. CoC should ban repeated targeted harassment in a precise way. And even that could be eliminated by making a block feature that actually works (all user's posts are hidden by default, maybe can unhide them by clicking on them. No @ing both ways).

Personal attacks are also part of debate. The founding fathers were calling one another hermaphrodites. Didn't Douglas call Lincoln like a hatchet-faced nutmeg peddler or something like that? They should be embraced as part of a long and noble tradition.
I think what happens is the sites generally are influenced by their advertising customers who don't want to have their brands associated with user generated hate speech. There aren't any ads here, though I'd imagine that owners would want to grow the site and eventually monetize it with ad money.

Personal attacks often suffer from a relevance problem but in a lot of debates they are very relevant (e.g. Presidential debates because the issue is who to pick for the next president; Or where somebody's being used as a source of information then their credibility is very relevant)
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I think what happens is the sites generally are influenced by their advertising customers who don't want to have their brands associated with user generated hate speech. There aren't any ads here, though I'd imagine that owners would want to grow the site and eventually monetize it with ad money.
Some sites get around this by making a 'looser rules' subforum that is hidden to non-members so people can let off steam there, but which won't come up on search results.
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That is a good one. Good to see you buddy.

I'm gonna go read the red-haired urchin one. 
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Skep you coming back around for live mafia with Thett3 as well?
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Skep you coming back around for live mafia with Thett3 as well?
I'll try to make at least one. I'm much more busy now, but I should be able to come once in a blue moon.
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Some of it was direct directly at lucystarfire
If thats the actual reason for ban, then you can unban her as I never even reported or complained about that. Personally, people can tell me anything and I will never report them.
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Always happy to see you around. Likewise work all the time but cleared our Fridays. Sure everyone would love to see ya 
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I mean Lashwnda was basically online blackface. E-blackface if you will. If someone puts on blackface and starts machine-gunning the N-word in a "friendly" way it's still pretty racist.
We don't want to ban racism and put people in echo chambers where they can be radicalized for extreme violence 
Heh. Lashwnda was a noble e-blackface account struggling to turn extremists away from even worse racism, was she.
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I mean Lashwnda was basically online blackface. E-blackface if you will. If someone puts on blackface and starts machine-gunning the N-word in a "friendly" way it's still pretty racist.
We don't want to ban racism and put people in echo chambers where they can be radicalized for extreme violence 
Heh. Lashwnda was a noble e-blackface account struggling to turn extremists away from even worse racism, was she.
There's that, and as he points out, it's racism that keeps people from "extreme violence" LOL.

Can't argue with that logic.

That's the problem with this site, too many people think trolling the opposition is actually debating, and uh, they seem to think it's noble because it will attract a higher caliber of debaters or something.  That brilliant plan overlooks the idea that the people they pretend to want to attract, people who are looking for an intelligent exchange of ideas, are not gonna stay and become a member when they read most of this shit. 

Bullshit attracts bullshit, stupidity attracts stupidity, but Leshwanda is going to elevate the site LOL.






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So why are you also against clamping down on it and ridicule those that want to?
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I agree with your most recent post completely btw.
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Bullshit attracts bullshit, stupidity attracts stupidity, but Leshwanda is going to elevate the site LOL.
This is true, but it makes the common mistake of conflating bourgeois gentility with intelligence. This forum is chock full of perfectly dull, uninspiring conversations between appropriately cordial people. These posters are engaging in the exact same cookie-cutter debates, regurgitating talking points from Fox or MSNBC at one another, that they were half a decade ago. Many of them hold the exact same views. This sort of behavior isn't a marker of great intelligence. I've had far more engaging and challenging conversations with people who sounded more like Leshawnda irl. It's the kind of interlocution that could be easily replicated by chatbots.
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Then we have members like you, too unimaginative and capable to contribute for many years that act above us all.