Challenge to RM over best direction for the site.

He has 0 debates in profile since joining.

Just save time and vote, oh wait, those don't matter either.

All that matters is what David wants, why waste time and drama pretending otherwise?

I am not, notice I avoided doing so. ;)

I can see that but Im assuming hes this user from DDO - ddo.fandom.com/wiki/Mikal

So, Im sizing him up based on what I see there. Unless I am mistaken ?

Youre mistaken about if voting on ddo was close to legitimate and fair.

He had a win-win voting arrangement with some. On here, he was unable to set that up as his old friends either quit or don't like to debate here. So he sticks to forum games here where they still do it in a different way.

He has even ragequit that group when they stood up to him. Lunatic told me.

Youre saying you care here but in other posts youre making plenty of insults. Youre saying that its about showing him that hes acting like an asshole but in the original post youre talking about having a real debate about the issues. The lack of consistency is damaging to credibility.

In the other thread that linked to this post you said that users should just link to this thread to shut down conversations with AR. The site also stickied this thread. You dont have any debates on this site. Im imagining they probably asked you to come here. You like to win and heres the challenge. So youre here to beat him so that he feels like a loser and maybe shuts up. Thats probably why youre here.

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A challenge of an open debate in Forum is hardly a challenge to manhood, unless one feels the manhood is incapable of rising to the occasion, and that's a personal issue, not the entire membership. I would challenge the notion of accusing a challenge to one's manhood is the appropriate source of apology if there is apology to be made.

He degraded that in another thread. In this he called me a woman beater and one that doesnt let her defend herself and strikes first.

I think you are missing a lot of context.

Ratman wants totalitarian control to make the site about him.

That is just a fact of his deranged reality, it is not debatable.

The website is not about me. It is about respectful debate.

You draw 90% of this forum's activity into the top board by constant obnoxious whining. 

Reread your post history. Like all of it.

Pot. Kettle.

I may be, but, that gives you license to do the same?  Take the same advice you just gave Badger: Pot. Kettle.

Retarded, dude. 90% of the site's activity is directed into these dumb threads because you have annoyed people beyond their limit across threads and mafia games and retardo DMs.

I know I am meant to turn the other cheek. I tried to with him.

Honestly, I would never have been able to endure this conversation with him had I been the old me.

I am shocked how closer to immune (not truly immune of course) to abuse you become when Christ is truly in my life.

Done with your complaining or got some more tantrum to throw? ;)

Im not saying I’m not insulting his actions. He’s throwing a tantrum and unbearable  at points. Doesn’t mean I wish he could act like a normal person. But again, I’m not going to let him engage in social terrorism and hold everyone at gun point to his wishes. He’s being a toxic and I have no issues saying that. I also have no issues putting his beliefs to the fire to show him that. He won’t accept it because he doesn’t want to debate. He wants to complain and it’s evident.  The point of the debate is to show him he’s wrong, yes. You do that by debating him and letting him come to that conclusion himself. It solves a bunch of purposes. Letting the site see a good debate with 2 opposite positions. Also letting him see how dumb his positions and actions are when put to fire. 

And no the site didn’t ask me to come here lmao. Not for this at least. Luna wanted to fill a mafia game. Most of other users just ignore him and pretend he doesn’t exist. This is my choice to challenge him and slap his hand when he’s acting like a child. No one else’s. 

But past this I probably am letting this sit and hope he actually mans up and takes the debate. As much as he complains you think this would be a chance to provide an argument for his POV. But given his positing I doubt that is the case and it’s now just largely a waste of time to try and discuss his behavior when has no desire to listen, remedy it, or defend it. 

Bullshit.

The OP asked for a respectful debate, you said no, not until you appease me lol. 

It's not about debate; it's about your ego; you always make it about you.

What is it want? That's a serious question.

You say you want to make the site better but you refuse to accept a platform to share your ideas.

You say you want to be part of the community, but Ive sent you a friend request and apologized to you but you've refused to talk to me.

This petty dispute is getting tiring. Can you either accept the debate or decline it for whatever reason, which would be okay. We're not going to judge you for it, but if you go the ladder option you have to stop complaining about the way things are. This is your opportunity to change things. 

Either way I hope you can soon see past whatever it is you have against me, I honestly do not dislike you as a person. 

I ran across a commentary, the origin of which escapes me because it was so long ago re: humility: As soon as you admit you are, you are no longer. Humility is trait that must be the observation of others; never your own. I must remind myself of that too frequently, and it is one of the most difficult things we can do. It is one of those characteristics that is proof of God.

Probably true.

I think I will always have a cocky streak to me. It actually is christlike to (not saying mine is like his at all).

If I analyse my life, family, enemies etc. God showed me that if I as the man I am lack a backbone I will be walked all over. However, I do consider myself humble on a balance scale and you are correct, there is pride in that.

I do not understand why I should have 0 pride. I want to be proud of myself, even as a servant of God. True humility does seem unattainable, it is also my biggest gripe with nearly all other religions too as they push humility so high as a virtue.

If he apologises for all the abuse and takes things back, I will debate.

I want to serve the Lord. I leave it at that.

If God wants this place to rot, it is time for me to accept it.

He allowed RM to choose the voters though

RM I’m also willing to swap this debate a trial with the resolution being that I have unjustifiably attacked you and Ill accept a week long ban if I lose. 

You are correct. I have made a nearly complete adult life-study of the world's religions [not all, I'm sure, but plenty of both East and West cultures, and find humility is a constant theme typically described as I did, that as soon as it is said of one's self, it is no longer until self can again be removed from the equation. In spite of religious differences, not necessarily only where they disagree, this is a consistent theme, telling me there is a God, and he may be known by many names, and speaks to many cultures, because humility is far from the only attitude of similarity.

It's the wrong kind of pride talking to demand an apology from others when we, ourselves, have not done so, first.

above is what/whom I would consider as religious and respect.