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I'll take that as a confession
It's not. Just speeding up the inevitable
I do want a little more discussion before this day ends. Specifically, I want everyone to answer these two questions:
- If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
- What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
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@Ultracrepidarian
If you are town, you should be giving your honest reads right now.
Official Vote Count:
Ultra- 3/4- Casey, banana, ultra
Unvote
I want there to be a bit more discussion first.
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@Casey_Risk
- If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
I’m not sure, I mean I guess you, but I don’t buy it. I don’t see why you would lie about it.
What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
If savant is telling the truth I suppose it would have to be a redirector. I’m a little concerned about all the investigation roles though, what do you think of my role + innocent child + vaders role + savants role all being town?
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@iamanabanana
If savant is telling the truth I suppose it would have to be a redirector. I’m a little concerned about all the investigation roles though, what do you think of my role + innocent child + vaders role + savants role all being town?
I buy that you're town 100%, but I don't buy all the other roles being town together. I get the feeling Vader might be scum. I'm not sure why he would have redirected me to Savant, however. I think I know who the team probably is if Ultra flips town, but I want to hear everyone else's thoughts first.
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@Casey_Risk
If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
I guess it depends on his role, but unless he's the miller or something, it would implicate you and banana the most.
What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
If it was a deflector or bus driver, I would have seen you visiting, so that leaves a redirector. As for why scum would redirect you to me, it depends on what they thought your role was.
what do you think of my role + innocent child + vaders role + savants role all being town?
I guess it's possible with so many 1x modifiers, plus we don't know what countermeasures scum have. But yeah, there's a decent chance someone is lying about being investigative.
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@Savant
I guess it depends on his role, but unless he's the miller or something, it would implicate you and banana the most.
I understand this viewpoint, but you yourself received the bulletproof vest I gave out, so you know I'm not lying about that. I guess it's not technically impossible for me to have that and be scum, but it's pretty rare.
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@Casey_Risk
I guess it's not technically impossible for me to have that and be scum, but it's pretty rare.
Fair enough. If one of you two is lying, it's probably banana. Though I don't know why banana would stick their neck out like that when you already had the guilty result, so I think it's unlikely Ultra flips town.
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@Savant
1x. Sorry I was out and just wanted to respond as quick as possible
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@Savant
Fair enough. If one of you two is lying, it's probably banana.
I don't think it's Banana either, however. If Ultra is town, then I think Pie is scum. Look at this interaction between him and I in Mayday Mafia.
Don’t forget that this is the same Owen [Ultra] who steamrolled town with Wylted and Barney with his fake CC. I think we give him less credit than he deserves as a player. I think for me today it’s between Moozer and Owen. (#413)
I reply:
Maybe so, but I think a large part of the problem there is that no one really questioned a 3P BP and a Town BP existing in the same game nearly as much as we should have. (#421)
Pie replies back:
[That's] fair, but his execution was perfect as well. (#422)
Sound familiar? Because it reminds me a lot of Pie in this game:
That’s fair, but you’ve only evaluated his town games. You have to compare it to his scum games. This guy was the mastermind of a double fake CC scum win if I remember correctly. (#158)
Pie was pivoting to setting up a mislynch on Owen in Mayday Mafia. I think he may have been doing the same thing here. He gives Ultra too much credit for what happened in that game, and I think it's on purpose. I mean, Pie was trying hard to put sus on him during DP1, and now he magically appears guilty. Suspicious? Only if he flips town.
I don't buy Wylted being scum for behavioral reasons. Ditto with Banana - after she explained her scumread on me, I went back and looked at her previous posts, and all her interactions with me really did read as 'I think you're town but am also really frustrated with you.' Plus I know she's not lying about her role and I don't see it going to scum.
I also TR Savant for his claim. It makes sense with the balance. So basically, scum are among (Ultra, Vader, Pie). Game is basically solved FMPOV.
Alright I'm gonna think. So we have a bunch of investigatives role at the moment. Casey chose a BP vest to me but got redirected to Savant, there was some form of an NK.
Right now based on actions and what I said in DP1, I think Casey reaffirms my town read. I think receiving a BP puts them in a role confirmable place. Not to mention I pointed out that my role could produce results and wanted some protection so I can out someone for what they could be
Right now Pie and Ultra have results. Pie had a DPX innocent child claimed which alligns with what I thought he could be. I think keeping Pie around this DP is useful to this game because if he is killed this NP or is alive DP3, we have results that can confirm his role and then confirm myself. So there we go that issue is solved. I am going to doubt he is inno child DP4.
The only crazy gambit that I could see is that Casey and Savant faked each confirmations but I don't think either of them have the playstyle of doing a crazy gambit like that so ignoring
I am thinking a bit more but for now I think Casey and Pie are likely safe, bringing POE to
Banana
Savant
Ultra
Wylted
Ultra's claim is pretty bad and tough to believe. Probably the top scum read at this point just because I don't know if a better target comes up this day phase. But the other options are tough
First thing is first is Ultra flips guilty, Banana is town locked,
Savant
Wylted
If Pie flips his innocent child role, it at least role confirms me to an extent. But I know I am not mafia so I don't get that
If Ultra is scum it's either Savant or Wylted. I forget who claimed tracker but I feel like I'd be pretty puzzled on the existance of a 3+ investigatives
Right now based on actions and what I said in DP1, I think Casey reaffirms my town read. I think receiving a BP puts them in a role confirmable place. Not to mention I pointed out that my role could produce results and wanted some protection so I can out someone for what they could be
Right now Pie and Ultra have results. Pie had a DPX innocent child claimed which alligns with what I thought he could be. I think keeping Pie around this DP is useful to this game because if he is killed this NP or is alive DP3, we have results that can confirm his role and then confirm myself. So there we go that issue is solved. I am going to doubt he is inno child DP4.
The only crazy gambit that I could see is that Casey and Savant faked each confirmations but I don't think either of them have the playstyle of doing a crazy gambit like that so ignoring
I am thinking a bit more but for now I think Casey and Pie are likely safe, bringing POE to
Banana
Savant
Ultra
Wylted
Ultra's claim is pretty bad and tough to believe. Probably the top scum read at this point just because I don't know if a better target comes up this day phase. But the other options are tough
First thing is first is Ultra flips guilty, Banana is town locked,
Savant
Wylted
If Pie flips his innocent child role, it at least role confirms me to an extent. But I know I am not mafia so I don't get that
If Ultra is scum it's either Savant or Wylted. I forget who claimed tracker but I feel like I'd be pretty puzzled on the existance of a 3+ investigatives
#57 also feels like a possible slip from Vader, plus my vest missing my target is suspicious. I also think the Pie slip I caught may have been genuine. I feel really good about this solve tbh.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie was pivoting to setting up a mislynch on Owen in Mayday Mafia. I think he may have been doing the same thing here. He gives Ultra too much credit for what happened in that game, and I think it's on purpose.
I guess there could maybe be a framer involved, but that means having to guess who gets investigated. It is possible, but it requires scum to get lucky. I'll take another look at dp1 behavior though.
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@Casey_Risk
#57 also feels like a possible slip from Vader, plus my vest missing my target is suspicious. I also think the Pie slip I caught may have been genuine. I feel really good about this solve tbh.
Tbh seems like your just fishing for slips versus focusing on the guilty result. You have a guilty result and you are focusing on Pie slips. Pretty simple how this game is solved. If I'm dead this NP and I'm revealed as a comedian and Pie is not outted as an inno child DP3 he's the joat and lying. If he dies in the NP and flips Inno Child, just proves I'm not just throwing shit out there to throw shit. If Ultra turns town in his lynch this means we have pressure on Banana. But it also suggest to nature of some manipulation role that could justify the amount of investigatives. Not really complex but just determining what's more likely
Also a slip is making a mistake from what you claimed and getting caught in a lie. This isn't really getting caught in a lie. It quite literally is the definition of "opposite of dreamer"
Also a slip is making a mistake from what you claimed and getting caught in a lie. This isn't really getting caught in a lie. It quite literally is the definition of "opposite of dreamer"
I hate to lynch Ultra just on a result but I think his turn is going to reveal a lot of information about the game than we may think. It also puts pressure on the tracker claim (Who was it someone please tell me because that's what banana said) because we know there's a clear counter to that role that can essentially town lock someone
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@Savant
I guess there could maybe be a framer involved, but that means having to guess who gets investigated. It is possible, but it requires scum to get lucky. I'll take another look at dp1 behavior though.
That much is true, but I know Banana at least was still openly sussing Ultra by the end of DP1. It would have relied on luck for sure, but that's always true when it comes to using a framer.
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@Vader
tracker claim (Who was it someone please tell me
No one claimed tracker. I'm the watcher.
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@Vader
Tbh seems like your just fishing for slips versus focusing on the guilty result. You have a guilty result and you are focusing on Pie slips.
I have no problem lynching Ultra today. I think it's informative either way.
If I'm dead this NP and I'm revealed as a comedian and Pie is not outted as an inno child DP3 he's the joat and lying. If he dies in the NP and flips Inno Child, just proves I'm not just throwing shit out there to throw shit. If Ultra turns town in his lynch this means we have pressure on Banana.
And what if Ultra flips town and you and Pie are still alive? Why is Banana the one you'd suspect most? Do you really believe there's a mafia role in this game which just gives fake guilty results to other players?
Also a slip is making a mistake from what you claimed and getting caught in a lie. This isn't really getting caught in a lie. It quite literally is the definition of "opposite of dreamer"
'Slip' is short for Freudian slip, accidentally letting on to something you meant to keep secret. If your role is actually just made up, then you might forget that you said it was 1x. One thing I've learned from playing this game is that blatant slips rarely ever happen. Usually, they're quite small. You have to focus on the details of human behavior to win this game as town.
Please note how Vader is merely deflecting away from my case against him and Pie instead of actually making a substantive reply.
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@Casey_Risk
I could literally argue the same case for you. It's literally a back and forth that's no point of even trying
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@Casey_Risk
If I'm dead this NP and I'm revealed as a comedian and Pie is not outted as an inno child DP3 he's the joat and lying. If he dies in the NP and flips Inno Child, just proves I'm not just throwing shit out there to throw shit. If Ultra turns town in his lynch this means we have pressure on Banana.And what if Ultra flips town and you and Pie are still alive? Why is Banana the one you'd suspect most? Do you really believe there's a mafia role in this game which just gives fake guilty results to other players?
If Pie is still alive but he is not confirmed we have my JOAT that I gave for him for justification. I said this in my last post but it seemed like you skimmed very quickly
Also a slip is making a mistake from what you claimed and getting caught in a lie. This isn't really getting caught in a lie. It quite literally is the definition of "opposite of dreamer"'Slip' is short for Freudian slip, accidentally letting on to something you meant to keep secret. If your role is actually just made up, then you might forget that you said it was 1x. One thing I've learned from playing this game is that blatant slips rarely ever happen. Usually, they're quite small. You have to focus on the details of human behavior to win this game as town.
I am going to be honest. When I am scum I am way more noticing on my slips and wording of language. I would honestly scum read myself if I perfectly typed out justifications for myself. I know its crazy to think but I can attest to my biggest flaw as scum being way too detailed orientated. You can ask a lot of people here who've played with me for 7+ years that I tend to misspeak a decent amount and when pushed I flip town.
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@Savant
Noted
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@Vader
If Pie is still alive but he is not confirmed we have my JOAT that I gave for him for justification. I said this in my last post but it seemed like you skimmed very quickly
If that's his justification, he's definitely scum. Too similar to my own role.
There is also way more of a reason for Casey to verify Savant rather than anyone else. Savant was almost dead to rights in the later DP1 before Earth's claim. If I am scums partner I would try anything possible to divert attention and to give some form of credibility to that user. The role Casey claims is just that role. However again I am still town reading Casey and don't think that. To make it that blatently obvious I am confirming a scum teammate would be pretty stupid and then for my scum teammate to claim an Inno Child so that if he doesn't get revealed he's scum would be pretty stupid. As scum you tend to distance yourself from your partner to try and not have to read each other.
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@Vader
I would honestly scum read myself if I perfectly typed out justifications for myself. I know its crazy to think but I can attest to my biggest flaw as scum being way too detailed orientated.
Except for when you were scum and got the date of completion of the Hagia Sofia wrong... Or when you got details about your character wrong in Castlevania Mafia...
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@Casey_Risk
If Pie is still alive but he is not confirmed we have my JOAT that I gave for him for justification. I said this in my last post but it seemed like you skimmed very quicklyIf that's his justification, he's definitely scum. Too similar to my own role.
Exactly what I said. It's a 9 person game. So if we assume 7v2 typical setup, dp3 is a 3v2, meaning mylo/lylo. This is the typical norm for such and if he doesn't turn he turns into a strong scum read. I layed this out and our justification to lynch is that the joat was true and casey's role works the same way.