Crowdfund the Fed

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There have been a lot of budget cuts proposed or already enacted by DOGE, the Trump Administration, and the recent Congressional appropriations bill.

My job, without getting into any more detail, is maybe 50 percent just to listen to people's complaints about this or that program being defunded, and how horrible this will be for children, for low income people, for public health, for this or that endangered animal species, or whatnot. Some of these people are quite vitriolic, and liberally hurl invectives about how "unchristian" it is for Republicans to support these measures. And I always have the same retort (though of course I'm screaming into the void to be heard by nobody), which is "Jesus would open his own wallet".

This is an idea I had the other day: the USFG budget would be divided into two categories: core and peripheral spending. Core spending would cover necessary government functions, such as defense, policing, infrastructure, debt repayments, etc. A sizable chunk of the budget, perhaps a majority of all Federal spending, would fall into this camp. This would be covered by tax revenue just as it is now.

But then the remainder would be classified as peripheral spending. This would not be covered by tax dollars, and it'd take some kind of emergency act of Congress to allocate tax dollars toward government programs of this kind.
A little known fact is that you can make direct monetary donations to the government. Very few people do, but I suspect this is a combination of ignorance and mindset reasons; after all, why make a donation when the whole point of taxes is to cover the government's budget?

But anyway, yes, all dollars allocated toward peripheral spending would be raised by donations. These donations would fall into two types.
First, you could donate to a general fund, which is spent at the government's discretion on peripheral programs. Second, you could donate to a specific program or government agency. Let's say that a small program gets enough in a flash flood of donations (say, because of a viral video by some TikTok influencer) to fund itself for 200 years given current budgetary assumptions about the program. If the program has enough stored up to cover, say, the next 5 years given current budgetary assumptions, then the remainder would automatically be diverted to the general fund. Peripheral programs would be effectively privatized but retain the expertise, institutional guardrails against graft, and name recognition and "official" status of Federal programs (most charitable donations would be directed to them as opposed to many obscure charities with the same purpose, and stand positioned to take advantage of economy of scale much like they do now).

After this, there'd be no more complaining that food stamps was about to get defunded and a bunch of children were about to go hungry, or that Medicaid was about to become a straightforward health insurance program with no subsidies behind it. It'd be as generously funded as the public was generous, subject only to the aforementioned common sense limits (unlikely to be reached for a program of that size anyway). You could no longer pass the buck of your civic responsibility to some rich guy somewhere, or to your unborn grandchildren if said rich guy had the same idea. If those kids went to bed hungry then that would be a moral indictment of you.
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Welfare phone/email support staff?
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What?
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You said your job description
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Not saying lol
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Don't want to get fired because some petty lowlife tracks down my employer. Not saying you'd do that, but once the information's out there it's out there.
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Core spending would cover necessary government functions, such as defense, policing, infrastructure, debt repayments, etc. A sizable chunk of the budget, perhaps a majority of all Federal spending, would fall into this camp. This would be covered by tax revenue just as it is now.
Why are those government functions necessary and not other functions? Maybe the state would collapse without policing and infrastructure, but what how much infrastructure is necessary? How high can crime rates get before the government has failed at its necessary duties? There are also anarchists who would argue preserving the state isn't necessary.

If those kids went to bed hungry then that would be a moral indictment of you.
People can already donate to the government and they don't take it as a moral indictment of themselves if they don't. Why do you think they would say anything other than to tax the rich? That's what they say now, I don't see why it would change just because you lowered taxes for everyone.
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You already put it out there

Line of work isnt really how to get found unless it is a super rare job btw.
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Remember that each taxpayer owes $274,000 on the national debt.
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People can already donate to the government and they don't take it as a moral indictment of themselves if they don't. Why do you think they would say anything other than to tax the rich? That's what they say now, I don't see why it would change just because you lowered taxes for everyone.
Because right now people have the luxury of just not thinking about how programs are funded, since the funding is assured anyhow. The national debt doesn't feel like a "real" problem to most people, or at least it doesn't register as an immediate one.

But if nothing at all happens without a donation, that puts the ball in their court. Sure, they could insist until their face was blue that the rich should be made to fund X or Y, but if the fact is that they aren't, and won't at least until after the next election cycle, and time is of the essence to keep X or Y program funded, then the average person will be forced to take a good look in the mirror and confront their own personal willingness (or lack thereof) to sacrifice for a stranger's sake, and the absurdity of demanding a duty from another that one does themselves shirk. Ideally, there will be a national conversation over the question of what degree of government they're willing to pay for.

But lofty moral lessons aside, this would ensure the survival of the nation. The budget would be balanced, since spending beyond what Americans were cumulatively willing to pay for would simply not happen instead of being passively added to the debt. That could prove disastrous for some people, especially in the short term, but it's better than for an irrecoverable disaster to befall the entire nation and ruin it.
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then the average person will be forced to take a good look in the mirror and confront their own personal willingness (or lack thereof) to sacrifice for a stranger's sake, and the absurdity of demanding a duty from another that one does themselves shirk
Centuries ago when people were starving on the streets, people blamed the rich. Why would they blame anyone else now?
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Not sure how to answer this. I'm pretty sure it was the fault of the rich until capitalism lifted the economy out of a zero-sum game based on rent extraction.
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I'm pretty sure it was the fault of the rich until capitalism lifted the economy out of a zero-sum game based on rent extraction
And human nature hasn't changed. People will still blame the rich for people starving on the streets.
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They still are to blame lol.

This is why I resent the wings concept.

People as rich as Gates and Musk should fundamentally not Be able to exist (and persist) at that level of wealth. They literally cannot possibly ever be contributing enough even expertise wise to justify their share of wealth.

If the tax system even possibly allows them to exist, it is broken.
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@AdaptableRatman.

With success comes jealousy.

But success in the necessary driver of material progress.

Though a days length is 24 hours for everyone. 

Most of which is taken up with base function and respective survival strategies.

So whether one shits in a marbled palace, or in a tin shed, one still needs to shit.

And we are all still slaves to progress.


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I definitely do not envy them.

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@AdaptableRatman.

I do not envy successful wealth accumulation.

In terms of survival and contentment, my current position in the World is a success.


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Imagining you working in some call center taking these calls and saying this shit whilst secretly cherishing your right-wing looney beliefs is some disturbing shit dude. You are a customer service worker. Why are you having daytime ultra capitalism jack-off fantasies?

Baffling. 
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Just curious zed, you write this not envying success stuff a lot like it's supposed to be some transcendent attitude. Can you not for a second imagine that the game is rigged? Or is it just total failing of intellect for you which leaves you with only your own dumb feelings to contend with? Just try real hard, zed, one more time. 
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Elon Musk, ketamine addled lunatic who earns more in a minute than the average American household earns in 4.5 years, just gutted funding to social programs. That is so far beyond absurd it's incredible.
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Hmmm, I wonder why Eisenhower had a top tax rate of 91 percent.  OMG, he didn't want to bankrupt the USA like Trump does?
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Let's recall that taxes are paid in dollars, not in percentage points, and that by dollars, the 1% - 5% - 10%ers already pay, in dollars, 45-50%, or more, of the total tax revenue, and they are the smallest tax group by percentage of the population. So, "tax the rich" is an unproportionate demand. The real problem is the vast numbers of people in the lowest tax bracket who mostly pay no taxes beyond what is withdrawn, or worse, no taxes at all because their income is all entitlement. Social Security, by the way, is not entitlement. Every penny of that benefit is donation to the SS Trust Fund is private donation by workers and their employers, plus interest earned on that fund. It is not public money by tax revenue, and, therefore, not a socialist program as is often accused.
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If these programs are to stay funded than wasteful spending needs to be cut. If they are complaining that wasteful spending is being cut to extend the life of social programs they are either idiots who can't see more than the immediate future or they want the social programs to end sooner so they advocate for more wasteful spending. 

That's it. If you oppose extending the lives of these programs through funding cuts, you are either a retard or an accelerationist. 
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Hmmm, I wonder why Eisenhower had a top tax rate of 91 percent.  OMG, he didn't want to bankrupt the USA like Trump does?
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Tesla CEO Elon Musk has issued a fresh warning about the US economy, saying the country may soon go bankrupt if things don’t change soon. Sharing a post on microblogging platform X (formerly Twitter), Musk wrote: “If this continues, America goes de facto bankrupt and all tax revenue will go to paying interest on the national debt with nothing left for anything else.” The tech billionaire quoted an X user Wall Street Mav @WallStreetMav who posted: “How did we arrive at a point in this country where 25% of all tax revenue goes to just paying the interest in $37 trillion in govt debt?”.
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Exactly why we need this.
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As I stated, I consider my life to be a success. 

Whereas for some, the only measure of success is the accumulation of wealth.


I have accumulated sufficient funds, enough to afford me a comfortable retirement.

I am fit and healthy, so will hopefully enjoy an active retirement, and I still have my marbles.

For 42 years I have had a fit, active and caring partner, and I have daughters who I can rely upon.


But of course, shit can happen.

Though shit can happen to the wealthiest of people.


Is the game rigged.

Nope.

Though to be fair, it's better to live in some places rather than others.

But in the UK, we all have access to the same educational opportunities, so whether or not we grab those opportunities is up to us.

Which isn't to decry, those who genuinely cannot take advantage of such opportunities.


Transcendent.

Nope, I'm a hard working pragmatist.


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All right zed, all that is lovely to hear but it's got practically zero to do with the question at hand.

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/01/PSDT_01.10.20_economic-inequality_1-4.png
This is the issue and this is the world your grandkids will be living in. It isn't the same world you grew up and worked in and the same comfort you had will be a lot harder come by. 

Wealth is concentrating in the hands of the very few at an alarming rate. Your grandkids will afford half of what you did if they're lucky. Will you tell them not to be envious of the successful?

Where a vanishingly small group of people control access to the entire wealth of the world, it isn't just about education and working hard anymore. Fair wages happens when wealth is concentrated in the middle class. It's an easy enough sort of sense. You pay the next guy for his services what you would ask of him for similar service and so we all get our fair share. You'll each get it from someone else otherwise.

What if you have nothing and the next guy has it all? Who else do you go to?
You go work a sweatshop.
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A good economic system must do two things, create AND distribute wealth. Communism failed the first. Central planning was too cumbersome and not transparent. Capitalism is failing the second and fast. How this isn't beyond obvious I don't know. Drastic correction is needed. 
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Capitalism is failing the second and fast
I dont think so. Literally the more country moves away from Capitalism, the more poor people it has, and the poorer they are.