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@WyIted
Why did you watch Casey?
Casey gave me a bulletproof vest, so they're role confirmed to me.
Atypical DP3
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@ILikePie5
I am literally just pointing out every possibility
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@Casey_Risk
Pie, I will give you credit where credit is due - you are much better at this than Vader.
You know, I’m glad we both survived to the end. It’s always either you or me dead.
This doesn't really address my point, however. Why not just coast through DP2, use the Vanillaizer NP2, then try and frame you by having Savant say he saw you visit Banana? Not only would that have been way easier to pull off, it also would have been far less risky than having me put all that attention on myself unnecessarily.
It’s actually easy. Savant was forced to watch you because Ultra’s flip puts doubt on Banana’s role.
I was going back and forth on the matter in my mind. I did think he might have been town, but I wasn't sure, and I was very convinced in my (Ultra, Vader, Pie) solution anyway (still am). I might have pushed harder to get Vader lynched instead but absolutely no one seemed interested in that, and I did see your point about you using a Framer on him being unlikely. Ultimately, Ultra was 50/50 in my mind but I figured his lynch would solve the game either way. If he's Guilty, his partner is probably Vader. Otherwise, it's you and Vader. I still stand by that.
That doesn’t justify why you you wouldn’t go on the record in DP2. You were playing both sides and setting up the mislynch on me. It’s pretty simple.
No, they're not. Show me one example of a blatant scumslip in a game. The only one I think I've ever seen was GP in Gunplay Mafia, and that was Greyparrot.
Well you just pointed one out. But I’d have to go back in the archives. It’s happened before though. Might’ve been before your time.
Who said it just had to be for WIFOM? You yourself speculated that he may have been killed for being a potential Cop. Why doesn't that apply to you as well? Roles were up in the air after DP1 - the only living player who had fullclaimed was Wylted, and it would have been a waste to kill him.
There were multiple townies who hadn’t claimed. But I of course chose the one townie who townread me the most and would’ve kept it for basically the entire game. Do you see how crazy that sounds.
Besides, that sort of NK analysis can be a convincing argument as I already brought up. When I got killed NP1 in Microbiology Mafia, I thought that was a sure sign that at least one of you and Banana was scum.
It’s a simple fact of what is likelier. Pie killed the guy who hard townread him even though there was like a 20% chance at max that he was supposedly the Cop vs Casey and Savant killed the guy who they thought was the Cop + scumread them. You can’t just apply the Cop argument to me and leave yourself out of it.
He shouldn't be. How do you know you weren't role copped?
Wylted/Vader can’t be a team - as they would’ve hammered you or me
Vader/Savant can’t be a team - as they would’ve hammered you or me
Vader/Casey can’t be a team - as Savant is lying about me visiting you.
Vader is confirmed town from my POV.
You forgot to actually rebut my argument. Do you think I blatantly ignored my partner, or do you think Savant and I are just really dumb? I'll openly admit I'm not the greatest at this game, but I know better than to do that, all while making the same mistake I made the last time I was scum with Savant - tying myself too closely to my partner.
This is a pure WIFOM argument. What’s fact is that you got rid of the player who sussed you for doing what you did to Earth.
At this point I am not convinced at all that Pie is scum at this point. If I am wrong he played a hell of a game and deserves the win. I don't think scum Pie votes Casey first in a MYLO situation. Usually will wait until town makes a mistakes and then proceed to pounce on that. I'm more confident that Pie is scum but I think we should gameplan what to do and also not jump to any lynches in a desperate situation.
The team combos possibility
Pie/Savant - can't be a team due to the fake result and if Casey is town they both would've voted
Wylted/Savant - can't be ateam due to they would've both voted if Casey is town
The possible teams
Wylted / Casey - Wylted was pretty hard jumpy to vote Pie out compared to the others. Very possible he is the last scum team with Casey. They also have had limited interactions which is what I tend to notice from Wylted's scum play. He has also been WAY more quiet than usual, a deviation from how he plays as town
Casey / Savant - I literally laid out my whole reasoning for them
Pie / Wylted - A possibility but I doubt it. Wylted was way too jumpy to vote Pie and really not focusing on the arguments being made. I also think Pie is looking to interact with wylted in a way that seems to be preachy. Kind of what he does as town to some extend but not a hard town cause cuz he's done it as scum
Out of all the options I think the likely scenario is is Casey and Savant, I think we should take a hard look at Wylted as well with Casey because I don't rule them out of the picture just yet from a mechanic standpoint
The team combos possibility
Pie/Savant - can't be a team due to the fake result and if Casey is town they both would've voted
Wylted/Savant - can't be ateam due to they would've both voted if Casey is town
Pie / Casey - probably not a team. They both have conflicting votes on each other meaning one of them is probably scum and one is town. Scum aren't going at each other in MYLO situation unless it's a crazy bus play, which is not Casey's tendancy as scum
The possible teams
Wylted / Casey - Wylted was pretty hard jumpy to vote Pie out compared to the others. Very possible he is the last scum team with Casey. They also have had limited interactions which is what I tend to notice from Wylted's scum play. He has also been WAY more quiet than usual, a deviation from how he plays as town
Casey / Savant - I literally laid out my whole reasoning for them
Pie / Wylted - A possibility but I doubt it. Wylted was way too jumpy to vote Pie and really not focusing on the arguments being made. I also think Pie is looking to interact with wylted in a way that seems to be preachy. Kind of what he does as town to some extend but not a hard town cause cuz he's done it as scum
Out of all the options I think the likely scenario is is Casey and Savant, I think we should take a hard look at Wylted as well with Casey because I don't rule them out of the picture just yet from a mechanic standpoint
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@ILikePie5
Finally done with work for the day.
You know, I’m glad we both survived to the end. It’s always either you or me dead.
Agreed, this is some of the most fun I've had playing mafia in a while. Probably because I'm actually alive to participate and not failing as scum.
It’s actually easy. Savant was forced to watch you because Ultra’s flip puts doubt on Banana’s role.
This is just using Savant's own reasoning for not targeting Banana as a post hoc justification for why he supposedly couldn't have. But this argument does not hold much water. Banana was obviously a very likely target for the NK. No one would have put sus on Savant for Watching her.
That doesn’t justify why you you wouldn’t go on the record in DP2. You were playing both sides and setting up the mislynch on me. It’s pretty simple.
I wasn't 'playing both sides', I was solving the game. If you have one mislynch left and you can narrow the scum pool down to just three players, and you can get the town to go along with your plan, then you win. I figured there was a decent chance that Ultra was just guilty, so if he gets lynched, good. But if he was Innocent, then I know who's guilty with very little room for doubt. And I'm as confident as ever that my solution was correct. There's nothing scummy about using basic PoE. It's the town's best friend in any game.
Well you just pointed one out. But I’d have to go back in the archives. It’s happened before though. Might’ve been before your time.
If it might have been before my time, then it obviously doesn't happen "often". Also, Greyparrot is Greyparrot. I don't like to be mean, but he kind of sucks at this game and everyone knows it. The fact that he's the only example either of us can think of proves my point.
There were multiple townies who hadn’t claimed. But I of course chose the one townie who townread me the most and would’ve kept it for basically the entire game. Do you see how crazy that sounds.
It's not crazy at all. It's a known strategy to kill players who are putting heavy sus on another town player as mafia. You can fairly easily get a mislynch out of that logic, sometimes even two in a game like this. Mikal was suddenly putting heavy sus on Savant and I at the end of DP1, so him dying the following night was bound to put sus on us - just as I put sus on townies in Heroic Heroes and Microbiology. Any experienced mafia player keeps that strategy in their toolbox, so don't act like it was some insane risk. It was a very calculated one.
Wylted/Vader can’t be a team - as they would’ve hammered you or meVader/Savant can’t be a team - as they would’ve hammered you or meVader/Casey can’t be a team - as Savant is lying about me visiting you.Vader is confirmed town from my POV.
Fair enough, that logic does check out. I'll retract that point.
This is a pure WIFOM argument. What’s fact is that you got rid of the player who sussed you for doing what you did to Earth.
You aren't actually addressing my argument, because if you did, it would lay bare how absurd yours is. You are trying to convince everyone else (or just Wylted, really) that Savant and I tied ourselves together again with my claim, of which the character at least was easily guessable early in the game (Banana even figured it out), exactly what we knew was our biggest mistake when we were partners before, then I got called out for scummy behavior by Mikal, we killed Mikal (itself very obvious and suspicious), and then we either agreed upon a very risky plan involving me doing the exact same behaviors that already got me caught behaviorally, only grander and even more conspicuously, or Savant told me not to and I just steamrolled him and did it anyway, all while we could have just coasted instead, Vanillaized you, and rode the natural chaos thus created to an easy win. I know you don't believe that, Pie. That's not just WIFOM, that's an insult to my very intelligence. I am not that dumb to do something like that. You are explicitly saying that I am.
But anyway, I've defended myself plenty by now. I'm not going to argue with scum anymore. I'll see what Wylted has to say when he finishes getting caught up.
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@Vader
I don't think scum Pie votes Casey first in a MYLO situation.
Well, I voted first, so that's irrelevant.
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@Casey_Risk
It applies both ways
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@Casey_Risk
And I met start first as in leads off voting, 99% he'll just bandwagon a lynch
Official Vote Count:
Pie- 1/3- casey
Casey- 1/3- pie
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
Casey gave savant a bulletproof vest. Why would either of you consider them scum together that's not really a risk that seems in Casey and savants playbook to tie themselves together like that. To me it would seem to town confirm Casey to a large extent.
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@Savant
Casey gave me a bulletproof vest, so they're role confirmed to me.
Why is your vote not on pie if Casey is role confirmed? Do you think her role could be a scum role?
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@Vader
Why is your vote not on Casey if she is on the scum team with either savant or me?
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@Casey_Risk
What's everyone's roles? I have only started paying attention to the game this day phase?
I think pie has a fair point that either he or Casey has to be scum here given the lack of a hammer.
Vader is wrong that they wouldn't bus each other in this situation. With a shrinking POE and busses being worth so much town cred, it's a perfect opportunity.
Problem is I don't know who the scum partners would be. It's either Vader or savant probably.
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@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
If you guys are down for it, the most likely scum between pie, Casey and savants is savant. We can lynch him and figure out his scum partner next DP.
A watcher is a light doctor and his claim to what he witnessed came at a very convenient time.
We don't need a watcher and a doctor in such a small game, particularly when lunatic prefers the scum team to win.
Any context for savants claim would be good. When it came etc.
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@Vader
Banana's role should have still been used. What were her strong town reads last DP. That should be a hint as to who she would send her results to and then being quiet should be suspicious.
I guess the narrative we are supposed to believe here is that pie roleblocked Casey, but it makes more sense to roleblock banana
Banana had pie and super in her scum POE
So she wouldn't have sent her results to either. She already sent it to Casey so Casey wasn't an option. I was inactive and it wasn't sent to me.
Savant should have gotten her results and has said anything about them.
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@Vader
If your results is that pie is a a possible jailkeeper and you we have Casey claiming to be roleblocked and savant saying that he saw pie visit Casey then why aren't you more suspicious of pie?
I think we just lynch pie and figure out the rest next DP
Maybe savant is trying to bus him.
A savant bus of pie also makes sense because pie knowing he can't prove he is innocent child after being backed in a corner by super means it's an opportunity for savant to get easy town cred.
Savant also holding his vote back instead of putting it on pie is an indicator of bussing as well. He keeps his vote off in case there is a rare chance to end the game early by shifting to Casey.
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@WyIted
Casey gave savant a bulletproof vest. Why would either of you consider them scum together that's not really a risk that seems in Casey and savants playbook to tie themselves together like that. To me it would seem to town confirm Casey to a large extent.
Casey “supposedly” gave Savant a BP Vest. As for risk, that’s a WIFOM argument.
What's everyone's roles? I have only started paying attention to the game this day phase?
Pie - DP3 Innocent Child
Casey - Inventor - 1x BP, 1x Strengthener, 1x something else that I forgot
Savant - Watcher
Vader - 1x Comedian
Wylted - Actor
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@WyIted
Vader can’t think I’m scum because of his role.
The way Vader described it, 1x Comedian “investigates” someone. Lunatic gives the Comedian 3 roles that the person they investigated could be. Those 3 roles are randomized. If I’m scum, the odds of my fake claim that I softed at the beginning AND my true role randomly showing up on that list are astronomical. I can’t be in any scum lines from his POV. If you think Supa is telling the truth, then the lines are exactly Casey/Savant. If not then the lines are exactly Pie/Vader. Theres just no way to differentiate that.
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@ILikePie5
I missed the soft claim. I have only read this DP.
In your POV the lynch of savant is just as certain as Casey so why don't you switch your vote to him as well?
Yeah I’m not convinced. I’d honestly rather be wrong than be right and no one listen
VTL Casey
Official Vote Count:
Pie- 1/3- casey
Casey- 2/3- pie, Vader
Now we wait to see if savant is scum
So it's clear to me that scum is specifically either savant Casey or supa pie. That does help now I just have to pull my weight here i guess and make sure town doesn't lose on my account.
VTL Casey
Goddammit
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@Savant
Nice job, I genuinely did not believe you were scum.