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@LucyStarfire
She wants his protection so she'll have to obey her husband.
Should wives obey their husbands?
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@Mall
I know I do it sometimes (usually only 3 though) by accident myself but you just went and did 5 posts in a row.
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@Mall
Yea, In any healthy relationship, the goal should be equality, even if that looks different situationally. If the husband is the main breadwinner and the wife stays home, it makes sense that she might take on more of the household or childcare responsibilities since he’s working outside the home. But if both partners are working, there’s usually a desire for things to feel more balanced, through income, chores, or emotional support, etc. No relationship is ever 50/50 all the time, but aiming for fairness and balance is pretty healthy and avoids a power dynamic. Power dynamics ruin relationships.
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@Mall
What i said was a response to the idea that the man is naturally the master of the family. Of course the woman decides for herself wether to obey him or not.
I just gave my opinion on why we should no longer hold on to the idea that men are Superior, protect, provide, give orders.
In western civilization, i do not think men have to provide, protect, and give orders. And women should not rely on men to do so.
The fallacy of this string is the assumption that obedience is one-sided. Sure, Genesis says God said that Eve should obey Adam, but most people assume that's the end of the story. Nope. That's limited reading. How many times have I suggested that reading the Bible isn't an afternoon's casual time in the lounge chair, soaking up the sun? It's cover-to-cover, and doing that multiple times before it finally begins to sink in. Get it? All scripture is serious advice that needs serious attention to its detail, and the story does not end with the first chapters of Genesis.
I've been reading since I was a pre-adolescent, and it still feels like I'm scratching the biblical, and other scriptures' surface. Marriage obedience goes both ways, and our marriage, me to my bide, [one of the enduring qualities I've committed to maintain is that this is how I refer to the beautiful lady who agreed to share my journey with me, and I with her] has endured 53 years of mostly me getting my head round that commitment. If you think that is easy, because that endurance is longer than most of you have been alive... well, you're just going to have to live it out to fully understand. No one said marriage was easy, just worth it.
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@fauxlaw
I've been reading since I was a pre-adolescent, and it still feels like I'm scratching the biblical, and other scriptures' surface.
Maybe it is not you who doesn't understand it totally after many decades. Maybe it is the bible who just doesn't make any sense.
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@Umbrellacorp
While I acknowledge the potential of personal misunderstanding, I'll offer the suggestion that a total read is likely to avail one's self of understanding more than merely citing random verses, at best. I note you have not said whether you have read the Bible, cover-to-cover. That generally marks observational consequences, such as that ignorance is only self-inflicted bliss. I have done so in four languages, by the by, so, let's not parse the volume's "understanding" too critically.
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@fauxlaw
You yourself suggested that you still do not understand the bible.
In your favour i suggested that maybe the bible is to be blamed and not you.
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@Umbrellacorp
If you're going to try to quote me, then. quote me; don't apply your own version of what I said in generalities and claim I said it. I said:
it still feels like I'm scratching the biblical, and other scriptures' surface
I am scratching; i.e., I am making progress, not claiming it is not possible to understand, and since that progress, as later said, is in 4 languages of complete reading, you must surmise I have at least the intelligence of dedication to the task, as well as literacy in a number of languages. Do you really think [which is entirely on you, btw] that amounts to lack of understanding? You can do better than that.
Hmmm, I wonder what P Diddy would say?
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@Mall
She wants his protection so she'll have to obey her husband
Does she?
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@Mall
You believe the spouse is your equal partner, right.
Firstly, I do not believe anything.
I either know what's what, or I don't.
I do not dominate my wife, she does not obey me.
My wife does not dominate me, I do not obey her.
We have a mutually beneficial relationship.
And equal is as equal does.
How equal are a kilogram of water and a kilogram of sugar.
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@Umbrellacorp
Will you support women that decide to naturally allow their husbands to lead them, guide them and be the head of them for their own good?
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@zedvictor4
Yes you do believe that without going roundabout, ok.
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@LucyStarfire
She wants his protection, she'll have to obey her husband.
Simple as that.
Just like a police officer protecting a civilian, the civilian will have to follow suit.
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@FLRW
P Diddy.......... I love it when they call me big POPPA .
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@Mikal
Do you support women that obey their husbands rightfully so?
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@Mall
Will you support women that decide to naturally allow their husbands to lead them, guide them and be the head of them for their own good?
Now this question is a bit odd.
Wouldn't we all want someone to lead, guide us and care for our own good?
That's some kind of disney prince fairy tale.
Of course that if you love someone you try to support them and guide them and care for them.
But then the question arises: Does that woman that wants to be carried around really love you?
She might. But why not carry her own as an adult. Why add an unnecessary burden to the person she loves?
What life is even that. That feels like prison.
Why would she want to be led by her man?
Anyway. I think this statement might better appeal to when raising a child.
But even then, it sounds more like a 'love bomb' manipulation technique than a real 'care and guide'.
After a few seconds of thinking this becomes even more absurd: women that NATURALLY allow....
NATURALLY ALLOW?
It sounds like: i am your property. do whatever you want with my life.
I would understand a woman that wants a disney prince. But NATURALLY ALLOW.
The word 'allow' itself makes it sound like she is approving to something forbidden.
And then 'naturally'. What do you mean naturally? That this woman does not take decisions of her own but simply 'naturally' succumbs to that?
I am sorry but i had to analyse this sentence thoroughly.
Why am I always late on forum posts
To be honest, yes long time ago women used to follow men, through culture or religion. But nowadays because of these Danm modern feminists, it has shifted.
Marrying each other means that the wife trusts the husband, same goes to the husband. A good marriage wouldn’t be arguing about these topics.
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@thett3
"Antivaxxer" and "homeschooler" aren't on the same level lmao.
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@AdaptableRatman
Perhaps they like for these qualities to subtly manifest themselves in a man who nonetheless respects her as his equal and knows how to show humility, but they don't want a man who, at best, loudly announces he is these things without a hint of self-awareness, or at worst treats the first Zoom call like a round of phone sex and waxes poetic about all the degrading things he'd make her do that he saw in a porn video.
Women who declare their intent to be the submissive partner tend to attract men who meet the above description. I would make a possible exception for if they're dating in a tight-knit Christian circle, but on Tinder? Yeah no.
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@Swagnarok
Women who declare their intent to be the submissive partner tend to attract men who meet the above description. I would make a possible exception for if they're dating in a tight-knit Christian circle, but on Tinder? Yeah no.
Wise Swagnarok knows all about it surely. He dates 3rd wave Feminists only and knows all about it.
Let me tell you dude, you are free to date the type you want in the West. Go for it.
Rule out all openly submissive women. Go for it.
That is your right and decision. I can tell you what I noticed. Significant dominance in a relationship from a woman consistently involves neglecting the emotions of the one bossed around. You will notice submissive men are often low self esteem and almost want snd don't mind that she 'puts him in his place'. In contrast you will find that relationships with dignificsntly dominant men can go many ways and some are indeed dangerous. However, let me tell you that you do not realise how ahusive a dominant woman actually can be.
The abuse rate of lesbian relatiinships is the worst by a significant deviation from all other combinations in all nations releasing such data, especially the US. This is because women need masculine partners, or no such partners at all. We can keep on lying constantly about it, it helps nobody.
Submissive women often can feel healthy high-ish (not narc level) self esteem. She can pride herself on it akin to how both gender pride themselves on being submissive to God (but ofc in this case lust is involved whereas submitting to God ideally lacks that).
The reason women want men to decide where they eat for dinner yet also get annoyed if he picks a wrong place is they want a leader but one that naturally almost without trying makes them feel good.
When a healthy relationship is there she will want to obey him. She will smile while doing so at times and glow from within. She will feel happy, proud of her femininity as well as usefulness to him and appreciated by him if he thanks her correctly.
A husband can arguably begin to feel similar to his wife. The problem is actually that women themselves are built differently by God. You will notice that women consistently get stressed and agitated the more decisions they have to make. Men get that too but also feel empty inside, pathetic, emasculated etc if not making any decisions for a while. The natural leader of any mammalian pack/herd is only female in species like elephants where the males often abandon them. We can deny it all we want, we can cry ohhh no cancel cancel misogynist oh no... Or we can get a grip because the women in relationships with men they obey with smiles on their face glowing from within have 0 care for this utterly toxic agenda the modern women AND men like you are pushing. They date the dominant men over you for a reason.
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@Mall
Yes you do believe.
Typical Mall.
No, I don't believe. ( And impudent of you to suggest that you know that I do).
I have no beliefs.
I know what I know, and I don't know what I cannot know.
Equality is a property relative to things that are equal.
Whereas, similarly equal is a contradiction in terms.
So a kilogram is equal to a kilogram.
Whereas water and sugar are not equal.
What I do know, is that my wife and I are are mutually beneficial.
And our relationship is not based upon archaic religious honour and obey tosh.
OK.
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@Swagnarok
Women who declare their intent to be the submissive partner tend to attract men who meet the above description.
A very rough way of putting it but it just might be true
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@Umbrellacorp
So long story short, would you or would you not support women in their obedience to their husbands?
If you can't support that, speak on it.
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@zedvictor4
Will you support women that do obey their husbands?
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@Swagnarok
Definitely not in general. Homeschool by a woman like that tho…
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@thett3
What does this has to do with the thread title?
Wish I would have debated RM on this instead of whatever we are debating lol