No, it doesn’t.
Yes it does. The universe and everything in it is driving towards a higher entropy state. the sun will run out of energy some day.
No shit, but that is a non-sequitur, "No it Doesn't" was in response to your statement "In the long run, life increases earth's overall entropy.", life does not increase Earth's Entropy,
Why on earth would the existence of life result in greaterentropy in the end? Your ideas about therole life plays in the physical process of entropy make no sense at all.
It is not my idea, it is a theory i found interesting. the existence of life makes earth absorb more energy from the sun. in the distant future,
Where did you read that nonsense?
When all the energy on earth has spread out in the universe, the earth will have let out more energy than it would have let out without life. Because life absorbs more energy from the sun. Causing the total energy absorbed from earth to increase. When earth decays, it will let out all this energy.
Did you go to Trump University?
Nope, that isn’t what “higher entropy states” means, itmeans the opposite, greater disorder and the deterioration of complexity in a physicalstate. The second law does nothing whatsoever to explain the emergence ofcomplex chemicals and organic molecules that became the building blocks oflife. The process of “emergence ofaminoacids and other DNA/RNA components “ progressed in direct violation of the2nd law of thermodynamics, they represent an increase in order andcomplexity, violating the expected statistical trend towards greater Entropy
The link i provided was not about entropy. did you even read it?
Yes, I know a lot about Miller-Urey, it was more than 70 years ago, and they had the initial conditions wrong, but the theory was valid, and the experiment has been done a hundred times now, we know for a fact that the complex molecules that combined to become life could have occurred naturally.
i meant the molecules that form in those conditions (which are explained in the link) might come together as a way of driving towards a higher entropy state.
There, you did it again, saying higher entropy in place of lower entropy. The experiments show an increase in organization and complexity in direct violation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
They are not forming life. they are just obeying the laws of thermodynamics. life emerges as a consequence. the second law does not state anything about life. but molecules obey that law. and when transitioning toward higher energy states, they might have given rise to life as we know it. because life is a waste of energy.
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Please translate the bolded statement, say what?
.You want to be a little moreexplicit about this preposterous statement, explain how we can be considered an“instrument to increase earth's total entropy”. This I want to see.
Of course it means nothing. it was meant in a figurative way. i did not mean to say that that is our purpose or any religious thing you might think.
I just shared this theory for fun. It is not proven to be true. it is interesting to think about if you are familiar with physics. of course there are other more logical theories to the emergence of life provided by biology. But this one can be countered with more than just religious arguments.
The science of Thermodynamics was developed in response to James Watt’s improvements to the steam engine in the 1700s, it’s about energy, heat, and work, and their interconversion. It’s an applied science, used by engineers to make things, and it’s dated. You are trying to use it where it doesn’t really fit, you are applying it theoretically and ignoring the observations. Used that way, it is not explanatory, instead, it serves as an obstacle to understanding abiogenesis and the evolution of life.
Here's the problem, Einstein showed us that matter and energy are different forms of the same thing, consequently, Kelvin's first law needs to be modified into a broader conceptual scheme regarding the conservation of energy/matter, and the 2nd Law of Entropy. We aren't just talking about the distribution of heat and random motion anymore and we clearly have to redefine the definition of disorder. The second law does not take into account the observed fact that natural form building activities are occurring over time. Self-integrated units of matter are in fact observed opposing the predicted statistical trend toward randomness. Manmade systems impose shape and order from outside, and they break down, entropy applies there. But there are naturally forming units of matter, the hydrogen atom, ice crystals, protein molecules, and the biggie, life, are units whose form is organized within. They all show a tendency to protect themselves from dissolution and repair themselves from within when they have been disturbed or damaged. we are observing a universe in which entities of matter are increasing form and complexity in space and time, and they are defying the second law.
Let's take a simple example from the bottom of the chain, so to speak; it's true that heat is dissipating from the sun, so we can postulate the increase in order and complexity on earth results from the net increase in energy. But there is also a corresponding increase in order occurring in the sun by the very process that generates the heat. In the sun, we have a spontaneous reaction, four hydrogen atoms combine to create one helium atom, add up the total matter and it's slightly less, the excess matter was released in the form of heat, that's where the heat coming from the sun came from. But the resultant helium atom is a much more complex assembly, it is a whole that is more than the sum of its parts, it's more stable, it will in fact recover it's form when damaged, and it possesses new "potentials". This potential resulting from the increase in order also begins a chain of events of further increasing order and form, resulting in oxygen, carbon, iron, amino acids, nucleoproteins, and biological systems, life, and lately, man. At the end of the chain, biological systems certainly appear to operate under a different set of laws; life pretty much has to be considered a special case. The second law just does not take into consideration the increase in order that occurs at the bottom of the sun's dissipation of heat to the earth equation. It doesn't assign any value to the corresponding increase in order, or the higher levels of complexity achieved, and Einstein's theory necessitates that it must. The second law is incomplete if it is seen in the terms of mere heat exchange any longer. In the universe's field or aspect of energy, heat is released or dissipated from the sun, in its aspect of matter, there is a corresponding process of synthesis, four atoms of hydrogen becoming one atom of helium, and it is an increase in complexity that the second law does not recognize.
We need to recognize that the laws of Thermodynamics are incomplete, Evolution doesn't tell us we have to reconsider life; it tells us we have to reconsider matter itself. Seen in its entirety, seen the way evolution demands that we see it; there is a direction to life, towards greater complexity and higher forms of sentience, from inanimate matter, to life, to sentience, to thought, to self-reflective consciousness.
Sifting order from randomness – from the very beginning, this has been the driving force of life, organizing haphazard collections of molecules and cells into these creatures with their sciences and faiths.