Serious: How did americans fall for lil Donny?

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Real talk.
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People like demogauges. 

Generally fits the mold of a conservative populist even tho his policies don't aactually help the poor or working class too much.

Which is to say he's not a hard-core conservative and not a libertarian. He campaigns on saving social security and Medicare where libertarians would attack them

He's generally conservative even if he's not truly much of a populist such that generally conservative people would support him

Hes a billionaire business man even though he's corrupt and an objectively below average business man based on profitability and business failures.

The average person ua pretty stupid and uninformed and half of people are even more stupid and uninformed 
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Politics us mostly about branding and name recognition and he's got both. He actually sucks on details but people only look at surface level and the policy gets lost in the politics in Washington 
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All the right people hate him and the enemy of my enemy is my friend
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The loaded partisan language of the OP aside, I'll give this a fair shot.

-Americans no longer agree even on basic facts, because Americans no longer agree on the credibility of claimed experts who claim to lay out basic facts. There have emerged two separate major "canons of fact" in the US, whose respective intelligentsia report their own news and have compiled their own tellings and timelines of recent history. According to one, Trump is guilty of tens of thousands of felony crimes, raped a child, orchestrated a plot to murder VP Pence on J6, is weeks/months away from consolidating dictatorial power like what Hitler did in 1933, and plans the mass murder of LGBT and brown people as soon as this happens. According to the other, none of that is true, as the sources of these claims aren't considered to be credible. Regarding Trump, the only basic facts both can agree on are: (1).unambiguous matters of public record; (2). things that Trump or the Trump Administration has unambiguously admitted to; or (3). verbatim televised/recorded/social media statements by Trump not plainly taken out of context. The absolutely overwhelming majority of allegations of criminal behavior by Trump don't fall into any of these three camps, and what's left may or may not exceed the criminality or misconduct of other recent presidents, who haven't been anywhere as closely scrutinized as Trump.

-In 2016 a plurality of Republican voters wanted a more hard-right presidency than had been offered in recent years, and their unity behind one candidate versus the disunity of the rest of the GOP which backed multiple candidates let him edge out a primary win despite carrying only about 45% of the Republican vote. After this, the rest of the party had the choice of either backing Trump or giving Democrats a third consecutive presidential term.

-His first term was actually rather close to a normal Republican presidency in terms of the policies it implemented, and obviously Republicans would consider a normal Republican presidency to be a positive rather than negative thing, save for those who think normal Republican presidents don't go far enough right. It was a safe bet, even if a wrong one in hindsight, that a second Trump term would also be mostly normal.

-The years after 2020 were unprecedented at least in recent decades. There had always been a great deal of reluctance to criminally prosecute ex-presidents (and the existence of Bill Clinton proves this wasn't because none of them had done anything wrong), but Trump was facing trials left and right by courts across the nation. Some of it was for January 6 or whatnot, sure, but a lot of it wasn't. Much of it was pushed by prosecutors who, before they had the facts, staked their careers on public pledges to convict Trump of crimes they were already certain he was guilty of. The whole spectacle was shocking to a lot of undecided voters. While for some people it had the desired effect of making Trump seem damningly corrupt, for others it had the effect of making the political system that'd been playing so dirty to bury Trump seem corrupt instead of him, and Trump was elevated to a martyr figure, an impression that the whole nearly-successful plot to murder him when he was surrounded by Secret Service agents under President Biden's employ didn't exactly hurt.

-There was also a post-Covid economic slump that harmed incumbents around the world in elections held during this rough time period. While Trump was in charge during the initial crash, more of the recovery happened during his last 8-9 months in office than in the following several years under Biden. People were expecting that, 3 years after the worst of Covid, things would go back to how they were before, and when this didn't happen it served to rehabilitate Trump.

-For better or worse, Trump's name had become tied to the GOP brand. If he was remembered to history as a failed president (since he had the misfortune of his presidency coinciding with a once in a century pandemic), that would harm the GOP for years going forward. The only short-term solution was to double down and support him for a second term that'd let the Trump White House be remembered better, since a smaller chunk of its length would then consist of terrible years. Granted, this begs the question of how he got successfully re-elected if such an effect was bound to happen.

-VP Harris was not a well known or particularly well liked public figure before phoning in for Biden at the last second. She had a fraction of his name recognition and decades of statesmanly experience. Her public image was carefully crafted, inauthentic, and prone to fluctuate wildly based on who she was talking to. During her brief stint in Congress before 2020, she'd been among the least productive of her Senate colleagues in terms of legislation passed. Biden picked her after intense pressure within the party to pick a black woman as his running mate, which made her extremely vulnerable to charges of not being the most qualified person for the job. During her debate with Trump she put on a very theatrical performance filled with the sort of phony outrage and platitudinal speech stereotypical of "strong female lead" characters in film, which didn't lend itself to coming across as a sincere person.
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Because they needed to elect a downright moron to make H L Mencken's 1920 prediction come true.
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Donald Trump isnt the problem. All other politicians are so bad that he looks good in comparison. And that is the secret of politics, it doesnt matter how bad you are if you make people think all others are worse.
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All the right people hate him and the enemy of my enemy is my friend
I am getting confused...
Didn't you support trump?
Are there 2 wylted?
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All other politicians are so bad that he looks good in comparison. 
If you mean his administration then yes. He has surrounded himself with people even dumber than him
If you mean the democrats then no. Most of them are genuine politicians. i do not like them that much but they are far better than the reps.
Donny only won with nationalist propaganda. People love that.
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The average person ua pretty stupid and uninformed and half of people are even more stupid and uninformed 
Unfortunately i have no other option but to agree with that.
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If you mean the democrats then no. Most of them are genuine politicians
Thats what you think now, its not even close to what Americans thought in 2024.
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Trump vs Clinton (I voted Clinton)
Well, looking back, vague memories of the 'first time he got elected.
Republicans were just too divided maybe, Americans maybe not all that happy with the candidates.

Democrats 'forced Bernie aside, I 'think, in favor of Clinton, annoyed some Democrats.

Sure surprised 'me when he won.

. . . One of my coworkers voted Trump, just hated the state of politics at the time, felt it was 'not working.
Wanted to shake the system up.

Trump vs Biden (I voted Third Party)
Going by an old debate of mine,
There ended up being two options.
Trump. . . Or Biden. . . '

People 'opposed to a liberal bent, were shifted in the direction Trumps camp.
Even for people who don't care much for Trumps manners, Or all of his policies.
When the other option is one some people perceive as,
The riot encouraging, Police degrading, Gun stealing, LGBT agenda, Illegal immigrant encouraging, Abortion happening, Military weakening, Supreme Court changing, Democrats. (Not that 'I'm saying the Democrats were or were not such)
Trump came off as a good candidate.

Not to mention his more positive attributes and political moves, Such as his focus on the economy, His travel ban response to Covid19 and China, His encouragement of people having sovereignty over their own health care without having to pay a penalty fee just for not having Obamacare, If Trump is elected a Conservative Supreme Court appointment is more likely, And so on.

Trump had the positive attribute of having won the Presidency before, 'Biden meanwhile making his 'third 'attempt at the position.
Then there's age, Biden a bit older than Trump, But 'both candidates having an age issue during a pandemic that's often harsh on the elderly. With Trump, At least his Vice President is a Republican. And at least Trump's immune system seems strong enough to withstand the effects of Covid19.

Some people said the Trump Tax Reform Plan, was the largest overhaul of the tax code in three decades.

Lot of people took the America first view,
A view Trump often talked about.

Incumbents have a good chance of winning, I think.
And 'opposing Trump, could mean splitting the party, resulting in Democrat win.

For people who leaned Conservative, I think Trump 'was a good candidate for the 2020 Election.

Trump vs Biden Harris (I voted Third Party)
Maybe the Harris switch was just too late.
People weren't happy about Covid, which had just been 'starting at the end of Trumps term, and lasted long into Bidens.

Maybe a lot of people unhappy about a lot of Left Culture and politics pushing hard/visible.

Trump still pretty popular with his base.
And 'opposing Trump, could mean splitting the party, resulting in Democrat win.