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@LucyStarfire
why would americans care what other conquered countries think?
Free education or F22 raptor fleet?
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@Umbrellacorp
Germany and USA both have private AND public universities
In Germany, you are forced to go to government school, and private universities are regulated. In USA, you can literally choose to never go to any government school in your whole life. See if you can spot the difference now.
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@LucyStarfire
In Germany, you are forced to go to government school, and private universities are regulated. In USA, you can literally choose to never go to any government school in your whole life. See if you can spot the difference now.
I wish we were forced to go to school here.
Why do you spread misinformation?
Higher education is optional in germany.
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@LucyStarfire
I'm done.
You win.
Okay?
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@Umbrellacorp
Higher education is optional in germany
I wasnt talking about higher education.
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@Umbrellacorp
You win
I already knew that, but thanks.
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@LucyStarfire
Ur welcome sweetie!!
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@Umbrellacorp
Ur welcome sweetie!!
Thanks for being a weak opponent.
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@LucyStarfire
Thanks for being a weak opponent.
L.O.L
You learned a semester's worth today from me.
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@Umbrellacorp
What were college costs prior to things like the GI bill ?
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@Umbrellacorp
You learned a semester's worth today from me
Not really.
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@LucyStarfire
I'm joking okay.
Nothing serious.
I don't fail any students.
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@Umbrellacorp
Your claims are delusional.
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@LucyStarfire
I just don't want you to be sad that's all.
Relax.
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@Umbrellacorp
You dont seem well.
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@LucyStarfire
I am. Thanks for caring!
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@Umbrellacorp
Are you sure?
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@LucyStarfire
What a kind person!
Thanks for double-checking!
I am very well.
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@Umbrellacorp
You made insane claims.
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@LucyStarfire
Mein gottt!
For further inquiries please send me an email.
Danke!
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@Umbrellacorp
Hope you get better.
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@LucyStarfire
Don't be rude now.
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@Umbrellacorp
Just hope you improve.
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@JoeBob
free education for all? if not, just sell one of the planes to cover your and others education, then use the rest for whatever floats your boat
You need to really love what floats your boat, the F22 costs around $70K an hour to fly, plus, I'm pretty sure you need a pilot's license.
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@Umbrellacorp
First, you will pay your taxes no matter what. why not have the free education. that would eliminate some future trump votersSecond, i do not live in the usa but we have free education in germany and i literally have never read anything about islam or god in my modules.I doubt that would be the case in the USA considering their relations with the middle east. Especially in a serious science like cosmology.But hey, Those f22s do look good indeed.I hear they shoot rockets or something like that. wow wow wow!!!!!
Ask yourself why no developed country has free food - and look at the examples of countries that tried it and what it led to... The government running the education system is the worst idea imaginable in this department, and it would do much better by buying a bunch of F22 and setting them on fire. The damage to the taxpayers would be much smaller. "That would eliminate some future Trump voters" is a sentence that shows just one aspect of what government-provided education does: force political views on the kids.
I am quite familiar with the education system in Germany. Across various rankings, there will be, at most, one German university in the top-100 worldwide, and that will be a university no one outside of Germany has heard of. I have been in academia in various roles and various countries for 15 years, and I still cannot off the top of my head name a single German university that has a department of mathematics, or physics, or computer science, or biology of any renown. And that is the highest-populated European country, one of its economic and cultural giants.
On the other hand, we have quite a few German immigrants at my math department here in the US. How come they chose "Trumpland" over the free-education paradise? How come everyone in academia makes that choice, and the reverse choice (moving from the US to Germany) virtually never happens?
That is because German academia is stagnant. If you have any ambition whatsoever, you will hit the ceiling so fast, you will have to undertake brain surgery to survive the damage. That is one of the results "everyone is welcome" systems provide. If there is no market competition, then there is no incentive to do anything above the bare minimum.
Notably, China, despite its extremely invasive government, does not have taxpayer-funded higher education - and it has a few really good universities. It is pretty bad when a totalitarian communist government understands the importance of market competition better than a liberal European one.
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@MayCaesar
I totally get what you say. What i said about germany was a response to a question asked by my student.
What you forget here is that even state colleges in the USA are expensive. Why not make them free?
Of course it costs money to do that. But the f22 program costed the same as the free college program proposed by joe biden.
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@Umbrellacorp
I understand the argument, and, in fact, I have made an argument of the same kind before: that, while I am against spending the taxpayers' money on funding foreign wars, if the money is to be invested in the military anyway, then the country might as well provide military aid to friendly countries under siege such as Ukraine or Israel.
The problem is that education is a much more vital service than foreign wars. Whether Ukraine falls or not will affect little in a typical American's or German's life - but whether the education system fails or not will affect everything. Taxpayer-funded education is not just the government paying your bills and everything else staying the same. Trump has already withdrawn endowment from a few universities who refused to concede to his outrageous demands. This is inevitable, as is degradation of the education system in general.
Why is the higher education in the US so expensive in the first place? Well, a significant part of it is the federal student loan program: the government offers students virtually unconditional loans, and - much like with medical insurance - it drives prices up. Imagine if students had to acquire loans on the private market... Banks would not be as happy to give $200,000 to a student whose future is completely unknown, as the federal government is which will keep being funded no matter what. And the universities, in turn, would not be able to get away with charging $50,000 for a semester.
However tempting it may sound to use governmental funds to solve such a major issue as unaffordable education, the solution comes with many strings attached. Perhaps it is better to let the government play with its toys (such as F22-s) and leave the essential services as much alone as possible.
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@MayCaesar
Perhaps it is better to let the government play with its toys (such as F22-s) and leave the essential services as much alone as possible.
Well, that's one way to look at it.