Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

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@irontoaster
Why would I think that neither cop nor poisoner make sense for pressure plate? Love when scum pretend to scumhunt. Lol
What?
You said here:
where only one of the abilities make sense thematically.
I was questioning why you thought that two of them did not make sense, which you did not answer, and instead accused me of scum.
I also did not say which two I said you said didn’t make sense.
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@JoeBob
Why do you think poisoner and cop make sense for pressure plate? Bomb makes sense, for obvious reasons.

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Mikal, JoeBob and maybe Cerulean for scum team? 
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@irontoaster
Why do you think poisoner and cop make sense for pressure plate? 
The pressure plate ingame has a chance to have a dart trap, where when you step on it, a head in a wall near it sends out a poison dart. The connection I’m making is the poison dart to the poisoner.
As for the cop, I can not think of anything at the moment, if I do I will say it.
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I suppose the Cop could be a reference to the fact that if you hold a pressure plate, you can see wiring in the vicinity... Seems like a bad justification, but my justification is also pretty bad.
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Poison darts, i didnt think of that. Also, TIL that you can use pressure plates to detect traps, hence the cop powers.

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@Cerulean
I suppose the Cop could be a reference to the fact that if you hold a pressure plate, you can see wiring in the vicinity... Seems like a bad justification, but my justification is also pretty bad.
True,  unless he considers actions being performed as somehow a justification, such as doors being opened or lights being turned on.
Just thinking out loud 
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@irontoaster
Also, TIL that you can use pressure plates to detect traps, hence the cop powers.
Huh, never would’ve thought of that. Did it say how it detects them?
I can only think of the traps being used because of that pressure plate being stepped on, unless I’m missing something.
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@Mikal
Never mind you are saying you are a specific type of crafting table. I’m not sure if I buy that.
Vtl Mikal you seem like you are latching on to weak points and throwing FOS way more easily than you usually do as town.
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I’m waiting for other people to join to get feedback. As that is now 3 people who have a category 
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@irontoaster
Welcome to the game. Sorry Mikal gave away that youre scum DP1 of your first game.
The crazyspecific infodump + finger pointing seems kind of sus to me, but I'm new at this. Idk, I'd probably VTL you, but I'mma defer to Mikal's experience. He's the veteran.
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@Mharman
Terraria is full of many unique items. Here’s an example.
I’ve somehow never heard of this before. Doesn’t seem that good though, compared to other weapons in its gameplay stage
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Alright, apologies for my absence, will try to up my participation tonight.

I'll start with my basic softclaim: I'm a critter. I get that there's a lot of them and if more than just Mikal wants to narrow it down, I'm willing to do that. I don't think my role is terribly obvious from my character anyway, so I'll volunteer to go next if that's the softclaim route we want to go down.

Regardless, I do think Mikal is focusing pretty hard on an element of his PM that likely has no bearing in this game. Mine just says "You are the ________!" and doesn't pluralize. It's not very broad, either, so I buy that people can have pretty specific characters, especially given that NPCs have been claimed. 

Looks like irontoaster has a... diverse JOAT role. Based on the conversation that has gone on over it, I can at least understand where some of those elements are coming from, but it's surprising to have someone who is a Cop and a Poisoner. Just a weird fusion of roles. The Bomb makes some sense as a passive role that could deter a scum NK, and I could see how each of these could work (the Cop if I squint) with the Pressure Plate claim. Anyway, while I'm not sure what to make of it, fake claiming a Cop up front would be ballsy, so he'd have to know there is no Cop in the game to do this. Can't see much chance that he's scum.
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@Mikal
So, explain this to me. How exactly does it help town for everyone to give up this information when we know scum has at least one fake claim?
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I took a gamble claiming my character because I believe it sounds rather scummy, on account of pressure plates being a big pain in the arse within the game. I claimed my role because of the rather OP but volatile nature of my role combination, the worst thing that could happen for town is the doctor tries to protect us both up or for me to get lynched early on before I can get some reads on people.

The mafia could come for me and sacrifice one of their members but 1 for 1 exchange is an outcome I can live with. Maybe they have a roleblocker too but a gamble is a gamble.

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the worst thing that could happen for town is the doctor tries to protect us both up or 
I meant the doctor tries to protect me and i blow us both up. 
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@Mikal
The crazyspecific infodump + finger pointing seems kind of sus to me, but I'm new at this. Idk, I'd probably VTL you, but I'mma defer to Mikal's experience. He's the veteran.
This over reaction does seem scummy. Tv actually might have caught scum off the rip this game.
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@whiteflame
fake claiming a Cop up front would be ballsy
Anyone who remembers how i play will tell you i have gigantic balls.
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@Lunatic
Dont buddy up to me you bastard. You know what you did the only other time ive played here. : P
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@irontoaster
Anyone who remembers how i play will tell you i have gigantic balls.
Maybe I shouldn't dismiss you so readily then, but I still think it's likely you aren't scum at least.
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@JoeBob
I don’t want to give up my character this early into the game, so I’ll just say, it is a vital item/item that helps the player in the game.
That’s not what I meant but okay lol
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@irontoaster
Hello. I am the item called the ‘pressure plate’ and i have a JOAT style role where only one of the abilities make sense thematically. I have a 3x cop ability, a 1x poisoner ability and a 1x bomb ability.  I will lead you to victory town, so long as you don’t let scum lead you down the garden path.
Okay, couple of questions:

1) Why claim this so early?
2) What did Mharman “exactly” call your role
3) What is the justification Mharman gave for Pressure Plate being a “JOAT-like” role?
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@whiteflame
Looks like irontoaster has a... diverse JOAT role. Based on the conversation that has gone on over it, I can at least understand where some of those elements are coming from, but it's surprising to have someone who is a Cop and a Poisoner. Just a weird fusion of roles. The Bomb makes some sense as a passive role that could deter a scum NK, and I could see how each of these could work (the Cop if I squint) with the Pressure Plate claim. Anyway, while I'm not sure what to make of it, fake claiming a Cop up front would be ballsy, so he'd have to know there is no Cop in the game to do this. Can't see much chance that he's scum.
Mod handed out fake claims and won't disclose how many. Could well know there is no cop in the game.

Could be a full transparency bluff, but then again the "I knew my character could seem sus so revealed straight away" logic could work... Idk, I don't trust my own judgment yet and why the fuck are there so many roles to learn.
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@irontoaster
Im not trolling. Given my weird character and extremely unorthodox role, i figure this is some wild west mafia where you cant meta your way to victory so im going with a bold strategy.
What meta?
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1. Lunatic - crafting table - split of table 
2. Mikal/Castin - Item - category 
3. Ultra
4. Whiteflame - critter
5. Pie - NPC
6. Resurget
7. Casey - Item
8. Savant - NPC
9. Vader
10. Irontoaster - pressure plate - category 
11. Joebob - Item
12. Wylted
13. Banana
14. Cerulean

Just updated it for whiteflame, I have a slight idea what the theme could be but I am going to hold off for now.

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@irontoaster
Mikal sus af. No mass claims please. Only helps mafia at this point to work out who is the Nurse/Doctor. Crafting tables are a much broader category than different coloured pressure plates with slightly different effects. Doesnt seem weird that lunatic is a specific table for his specific role, whatever it is, especially when we have no information. Claim or im leading a wagon on you.
Why do you feel the need to defend Lunatic?
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@Castin
Mod handed out fake claims and won't disclose how many. Could well know there is no cop in the game.

Could be a full transparency bluff, but then again the "I knew my character could seem sus so revealed straight away" logic could work... Idk, I don't trust my own judgment yet and why the fuck are there so many roles to learn.
It's not impossible that scum know there is no Cop in the game. Cop could just be a fake claim that Irontoaster bundled into a JOAT role on the fly. Don't think that's what is going on, but that's possible.
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@irontoaster
I meant the doctor tries to protect me and i blow us both up. 
I thought the bomb only killed the player who targets the bomb for the kill. Can yours kill multiple players?

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Maybe I shouldn't dismiss you so readily then, but I still think it's likely you aren't scum at least.
And the WIFOM goes around and around. >:)

1) Why claim this so early?
2) What did Mharman “exactly” call your role
3) What is the justification Mharman gave for Pressure Plate being a “JOAT-like” role?
Answered the first two already. I figure im only one of several JOATs but the justification for me at least is that pressure plates are multipurpose.

What meta?
Well theres the general meta youd find somewhere like mafiascum where you can basically follow a flow chart and never do any social deductions and then theres the DART meta where someones previous game behaviour can give hints (or something like discord activity giving away scum).
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@irontoaster
First of all, crafting tables are called work benches if we go by in-game vernacular and they are the most important item in the game.
The wiki says Crafting Station of which there are multiple types.

It makes perfect sense to be an alchemy table or a crystal ball rather than ‘work benches’ as an entire category.
That’s fair, but then what’s the point of giving fake character claims? There are an infinite number of items in the game that the scum team can fake claim.

Acting as though claiming to be a specific bench is akin to claiming to be a red bird and a blue bird is such a stretch. Add to the fact that you initially thought he claimed his full character as ‘crafting station’ which isnt a thing while knowing that there are multiple types of pressure plates makes me think that you are fake scum hunting.
A simple wiki search (for people like me know nothing about the theme) shows crafting station and pressure plates are generic categories.

Also, you keep trying to make me, who has hard claimed cop, out to be scum for nonsense reasons. I am THE pressure plate.  Not pressure plate. Not pressure plates. 
Where did this happen?

i say we lynch Mikal and let mod sort out the truth.