Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

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@Mikal
Because saying you are a crafting station heavily implies you craft items and there is no way scum does not see that as a power role. So I can’t wrap my head around why just say it yolo when it makes you a target if you are town 
It doesn’t seem like it hints at a power role to me, but then again I don’t know the game very well and what would or wouldn’t hint at a power role.
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@Vader
You literally modded a game where I “scumslipped” and was town. This is genuinely pushing an agenda. 
Which game?

I remember you actually scum slipping as scum before though and I can’t name the game off the top of my head since we play so many of these back to back. But you scum slipped which a lot of I remember you correctly 

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@Lunatic
You are going to hate me for this but that makes you sus you even more. Loom is early game and yea it uses silk but that justification is almost right off the wiki and mine is much more simplistic and not near as much info it it and has a custom justification. 
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@Mikal
You are going to hate me for this but that makes you sus you even more. Loom is early game and yea it uses silk but that justification is almost right off the wiki and mine is much more simplistic and not near as much info it it and has a custom justification. 

I don’t know what to tell you man, you can’t expect every role Pm to be exactly like yours. It’s just bad logic and reasoning.

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The Loom is a crafting station used to craft Silk, as well as some items that require Silk as an ingredient. It can sometimes be found in Underground Cabins.
From the wiki 

From your claim 

I am the loom, a crafting station that can be crafter or found in underground cabins that crafts apparel primarily using silk that strengthens your character. Thus I am the strengthener and can choose a player each night to guarantee the effect of their night action.
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@Mikal

Can you guys clarify the parent/category aspect of
Your roles. 
I am lost here I think somebody said item as one of the categories if that's what you mean. I am an item
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@Lunatic
Last game Casey thought I scum slipped because of how I stated my role a bit. I just see no correlation to what you are saying. I think you are just jumping the gun on something that is not a scum slip. I also can’t do anything about having a mod fuck up a PM wording and trying to get it clarified. Pouncing on these just seems exploitative as a whole and feels scummy
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@Mikal
I didn’t write my role PM the mod did. Maybe there’s just not a lot to say about looms.

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@ResurgetExFavilla
Did any of you guys go by a different name on DDO
I am not from DDO
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@WyIted
Look up your item and see if it’s like 

axe which covers a broad category 
Or if you are a type of axe 
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@Mikal
Sucks that you feel this way but I guess I am done responding to you. Anything I say just makes you tunnel me harder. So I’m gonna start appealing to other townies instead and let’s get focus on Vader. 
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@WyIted
He meant like 'iron axe' vs. 'axe'

Or 'golden apple' vs. 'apple'

Do you have any reads that stick out for you at the moment?
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I'm largely caught up. Seems like it's not impossible for someone to have a "tier" of item in this game, as Mikal put it. I doubt Resurget (been meaning to mention that I love the Mushishi pfp, great show) would choose to present that as scum after all the sus that has been thrown at Luna for his specification that he has a tier. I didn't know if Mikal was just going down a rabbit hole or not with this, but this clearly throws a wrench into his view that specifying the type of item/critter is inherently scummy.

I also can't say I read Luna's frustration as scummy - I think it's NAI since he's bound to be frustrated whether he's scum or town based on this fixation - but the claim sets me off a bit. Not so much for the existence of a loom in game (again, I don't know enough about Terraria to speak on that), but on the Strengthener claim, specifically. Since similarity to the Wiki has been mentioned, I'll say straight up that there's not a lot on the Wiki about my character, so there's not much to copy. The details of my justification aren't obvious from reading it, so Mikal may be onto something there.
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Thoughts on Vaders 226 and 229?

He first claims he thought his pm had two words than later clarifies that it was a difference in the wiki as opposed to why wouldn’t he just read it out of his role pm lol

Seems like a blatant scum slip. 
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Also tag you
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I don't know if I've ever played with Vader/Supa, but I talked to him a quite a bit as Supa and him getting 'annoyed' at being FOSd on something a bit flimsy does ring true to me as an 'honest' reaction. I'm waffling a bit I think I'll reread the DP later. Not sure if it's Town FoSing Town or a mislynch wagon attempt but leaning towards the latter. In any case I think we should try and generate more activity from the quieter members. Scum could easily be hiding in the periphery and we have plenty of time.
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@whiteflame
Not so much for the existence of a loom in game (again, I don't know enough about Terraria to speak on that), but on the Strengthener claim, specifically. Since similarity to the Wiki has been mentioned, I'll say straight up that there's not a lot on the Wiki about my character, so there's not much to copy. The details of my justification aren't obvious from reading it, so Mikal may be onto something there.
Wow you too huh? This might be the first time I’ve been mislynched in longer than I can remember, not to mention it’s day phase 1. And not a shred of a case against me is based on behavior either. This is pretty unfortunate. 
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So I don’t play enough to know this but he could have slipped 

Just did a lot of research and it seems like loom Primarily crafts vanity items. Essentially cosmetics that don’t offer any strength or gains. I am not sure how this correlates with enable as they justification is it strengthens you. I need to find out the use for crafting functional armor as that would make more sense with hai role claim

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@Lunatic
Thoughts on Vaders 226 and 229?
Not sure what you're seeing in 229 since it's focused on Mikal and whether he was effectively mod confirmed town. As for 226:

Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category 
That would be a confusing choice to make at this point. Maybe the aim was to avoid giving a character claim with a tier in it now that that's been flagged as potentially scummy, but he could have waited and seen if other people posted their own claims first and then tried to backtrack if no one had a tier. It could be a scum slip, but it's weird that he went about it this way and I can't say it reads as scummy to me.

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I am a consumable 
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@whiteflame
That would be a confusing choice to make at this point. Maybe the aim was to avoid giving a character claim with a tier in it now that that's been flagged as potentially scummy, but he could have waited and seen if other people posted their own claims first and then tried to backtrack if no one had a tier. It could be a scum slip, but it's weird that he went about it this way and I can't say it reads as scummy to me.
I think he originally planned to claim one thing and had to change his claim for some reason or another. I don’t buy that he just didn’t read his role pm correctly to see one word vs two. Makes no sense. And he literally lied about it in the next post and said he was reading it from the wiki. Why would he need to reference the wiki at all rather than his own role PM to begin with?
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Attention players: I am done responding about my role PM. I have fully complied and given my full claim and I didn’t have to. If you have issues with what I claimed in my role take it up with the mod after I flip innocent. I will address behavior reads only of which there seems to be none atm.
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@whiteflame
Normally I would 100% agree and back tracking would be 100% scummy. But please reference my original response where I claimed it did not have a category. I was clarifying simply that mine is a sole item rather than a category
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@Lunatic
Wow you too huh? This might be the first time I’ve been mislynched in longer than I can remember, not to mention it’s day phase 1. And not a shred of a case against me is based on behavior either. This is pretty unfortunate. 
...so I point out that the Strengthener seems a little sus (something that most anyone in here would say given that it's been used as a pretty safe fake claim in past games) and point to a disjoint between how your and my justification relates to the Wiki, and all I get is a "you too huh?" response? I've already said your behavior is NAI, I'm working with what I have that indicates something to me. For that matter, I haven't even voted for you, and I've said that several of the factors Mikal was considering don't seem to hold up. I get that you're frustrated, but the notion that there isn't a case against you at all just because few of us are scumreading you behaviorally doesn't hold up.

I think he originally planned to claim one thing and had to change his claim for some reason or another. I don’t buy that he just didn’t read his role pm correctly to see one word vs two. Makes no sense. And he literally lied about it in the next post and said he was reading it from the wiki. Why would he need to reference the wiki at all rather than his own role PM to begin with?
I'd be fine pursuing him for a character claim to see what this is all about. My impression from his responses was that it was listed as two words in his PM when it should have been one on the basis of how the Wiki portrays it. That may or may not be plausible based on his claim, but I don't think he lied about it. As for why he'd reference the Wiki at all, that's probably for the same reason I did: to get more insight into his character. I'd be surprised if he hadn't looked it up at all up to this point.

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Normally I would 100% agree and back tracking would be 100% scummy. But please reference my original response where I claimed it did not have a category. I was clarifying simply that mine is a sole item rather than a category
Fair enough, though we still might need a character claim to understand how this could have happened. I'm not scumreading you for it, but I can understand where the doubt is coming from.

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axe which covers a broad category 
Or if you are a type of axe 
My item is also in Minecraft and is useful to players. If I get any more specific I think I just have to claim
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Something about lunatics claim seems off. I can’t quite place it as of right now however.
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@whiteflame
I am very honestly tempted too right now because this will 100% clear up anything and we can focus our efforts somewhere else
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@ResurgetExFavilla
He meant like 'iron axe' vs. 'axe'

Or 'golden apple' vs. 'apple'

Do you have any reads that stick out for you at the moment?
I see Its just one word it appears so not a sub category 
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...so I point out that the Strengthener seems a little sus (something that most anyone in here would say given that it's been used as a pretty safe fake claim in past games) and point to a disjoint between how your and my justification relates to the Wiki, and all I get is a "you too huh?" response? I've already said your behavior is NAI, I'm working with what I have that indicates something to me. For that matter, I haven't even voted for you, and I've said that several of the factors Mikal was considering don't seem to hold up. I get that you're frustrated, but the notion that there isn't a case against you at all just because few of us are scumreading you behaviorally doesn't hold up.
It’s frustrating because it’s entirely based on my claim. And you know me, I am not a shite fake claimed. Mike said this too, yet somehow all the focus is on how bad my claim is. You don’t think I would have come up with something better than strengthener? I literally cannot respond to wifom about why my role and character is what the mod fvcking assigned me to be. I figured being honest was the move here but now I am thinking I should have just lied and fake claimed as town because apparently you guys know more than the mod does about his own theme.

I'd be fine pursuing him for a character claim to see what this is all about. My impression from his responses was that it was listed as two words in his PM when it should have been one on the basis of how the Wiki portrays it. That may or may not be plausible based on his claim, but I don't think he lied about it. As for why he'd reference the Wiki at all, that's probably for the same reason I did: to get more insight into his character. I'd be surprised if he hadn't looked it up at all up to this point.

I didn’t get that from his responses it seems like you are making that excuse for him but okay.