Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

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@Mikal
point to me a game where you crashed out as town and I’ll consider backing off. Like crashed out for being scum read. I agree I would crash out but I do it was more often as scum. When my town meta is just if you want to lynch me for it, go ahead and I’ll lol
feminist mafia this literally just happened why are you pretending you don’t remember that game? I’ll challenge you, find me a game where I crash out as scum. I hate playing scum first of all, I literally don’t care about losing as scum. You saw that when I told you to go with the yolo play against mharman when you thought he was baiting you. I literally didn’t give a sh1t if we won or lost that game. The only games I care about getting this invested in is when I’m town.

But the above read as totally giving up and if you point me to a town crash out when you are being read as scum. It will back me off. Me and you both are notorious about this as scum
If I was giving up I’d have voted myself and I wouldn’t be responding to you anymore. Instead I am advocating for pressuring and lynching supa, who scum slipped and is getting a pass for it. 
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@whiteflame
I mean, fair enough, but being frustrated has never been all that important to alignment, at least not with you since this is far from the first time we’ve had it out and we’ve both done it as scum and as town. I think framing it as that this is how town will sink itself because we’d lose a Strengthener to a DP1 mislynch is a bit much, but I get why you’d be annoyed enough to say that.

It’s not about my role or losing a strengthener. Idc about that. I’d be making the same case if I was a vanilla. It’s the fact that this is a lazy lynch based on what you think is a bad claim, something I have 0 control over. I was honest about my claim and it backfired. I could have lied as town and probably come up with a better fake claim than the claim the mod actually gave me, but being honest is backfiring on me which shouldn’t ever be the case. The fact that you lot think you know the theme better than the mod does that he wouldn’t make a role he literally made is hilarious but also baffling. If there was behavior reasons beside this that’d be another thing. 

Inb4 “we do have behavior!”

Nah none of it was added until after I was already being pressured and crashing out for being pressured on my role alone. That’s a fact. Casey’s behavioral read was that she thinks my read on her was “buddying” her. Which is a dumb reason. I hate the buddying argument when it’s clear that I would take advantage of mislynch opportunities as scum. The only time I ever defend people as town is when I’m actually town.

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@Lunatic
Jesus Christ. Not a single person town reads me. Idk what I did wrong. Just mislynch me so I can laugh at you from the graveyard. I actively want scum to win now. You all can go fuck yourselves.
Bruh

I have no opinion just give me a case on somebody
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Irontoaster (1/8) - Mikal/Castin
Mikal/Castin (1/8) - Irontoaster
Wylted (1/8) - Pie
Lunatic (1/8) - Resurget

Terraria has many random events, one of which the Blood Moon, which lasts for one night. New enemies emerge, enemies can open doors, rare enemies can be fished up,  critters turn deadly, and most female NPCs become irritable.

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@WyIted
I have no opinion just give me a case on somebody
Supa scum slipped in 226 said he was one word instead of two when reading his pm. I called him out on this and he changed his story in the next post and said he changed it based on reading the wiki. Why would he be referencing the wiki over his own role Pm? 


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My vote should be on vader
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Irontoaster (1/8) - Mikal/Castin
Mikal/Castin (1/8) - Irontoaster
Wylted (1/8) - Pie
Vader (1/8) - Lunatic
Lunatic (1/8) - Resurget

Corrected.
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Also I think supa is town. He is a category. He just has no idea how the game works lol 
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Or survival games to be clear. Shortsword is a category that splits into tiers 
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Something about lunatics claim seems off. I can’t quite place it as of right now however.
Don’t be a bandwagoner. Be a free thinker. I had hope for you this game, don’t shred that hope by being dumb.
All I said was that I think something about your claim is off and that I couldn’t place it. I’m not bandwagoning anything.
Some phrases/wording seems to be copied directly from the wiki. Now this could be either Mharman copying it himself for sake of people understanding it easier,  or you going out on the fly and quickly making up a claim, which in fairness is not something I remember you doing, but I could be wrong.

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@Vader
You said you asked Mharm if you were a category correct?
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@Vader
Vader why are you quiet all of a sudden? Trying to lay low and take advantage of what you think is gonna be a free mislynch I bet.
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@Vader
The supa post is my first actual behavior read on him and I agree. It’s odd to latch on to that. I think supa was trying to figure out if he classified as a category and Mharm prob gave him wrong info and didn’t explain it right. You don’t have to be an item that has tiers. You can just be an item with no tiers and I’m assuming that’s what supa is trying to say but having no idea how to articulate it. 
Supa you said bingo to this. You said Mharm gave you info about your character. Did he say you were a sole item?
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@Lunatic
It’s not about my role or losing a strengthener. Idc about that. I’d be making the same case if I was a vanilla. It’s the fact that this is a lazy lynch based on what you think is a bad claim, something I have 0 control over. I was honest about my claim and it backfired. I could have lied as town and probably come up with a better fake claim than the claim the mod actually gave me, but being honest is backfiring on me which shouldn’t ever be the case. The fact that you lot think you know the theme better than the mod does that he wouldn’t make a role he literally made is hilarious but also baffling. If there was behavior reasons beside this that’d be another thing. 

Inb4 “we do have behavior!”
Considering my case doesn't rest on thinking I know the theme at all (again, never claimed to do so, and pointing out that the Strengthener claim is pretty safe doesn't mean I think it lacks applicability to the character) and that I've stated straight up that I think your behavior, even your obvious frustration, is NAI to me, I'm not really sure how much of this applies to what I've been saying. Seems like you're responding to other people. I also don't know why you keep saying that you should have just lied. Don't think the risk of getting CC'd outweighs your current situation, but what do I know?

Nah none of it was added until after I was already being pressured and crashing out for being pressured on my role alone. That’s a fact. Casey’s behavioral read was that she thinks my read on her was “buddying” her. Which is a dumb reason. I hate the buddying argument when it’s clear that I would take advantage of mislynch opportunities as scum. The only time I ever defend people as town is when I’m actually town.
I don't think it's accurate that you only defend others as town when you are town, but I'll have to read back through previous games to see if I've missed something that glaringly obvious. As for Casey's read, I don't see it the same way they do, so I'm still not sure why you're directing this at me.
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feminist mafia this literally just happened why are you pretending you don’t remember that game?
AR was the one who crashed out in that game, I don't remember you doing that, certainly not like you've done it here. 
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@Savant
'm caught up. Reconsider this Luna read, dude. I've literally never seen scum beg to be lynched
I literally have as scum 
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@WyIted
I literally have as scum
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@whiteflame
Considering my case doesn't rest on thinking I know the theme at all (again, never claimed to do so, and pointing out that the Strengthener claim is pretty safe doesn't mean I think it lacks applicability to the character) and that I've stated straight up that I think your behavior, even your obvious frustration, is NAI to me, I'm not really sure how much of this applies to what I've been saying. Seems like you're responding to other people. I also don't know why you keep saying that you should have just lied. Don't think the risk of getting CC'd outweighs your current situation, but what do I know?
You are capitalizing off of the "sh1tty claim" point, though, and thats the most infuriating part of this is not being read based on behavior. You saw me come up with fake claims for hours in your microbiology game you modded. I knew nothing about that theme and wasn't given fake claims, just the ability to ask a couple questions in dp1. You saw me put in tons of work coming up with solid fake claims. Now you place doubt on my claim in this game, when I claim relatively early and only with one person really pushing me. You think I wouldn't as scum put that same effort I put it in your game even for a theme I wasn't familiar with? And you think with the mod providing fake claims that the best I could come up with is strengthener? Like I said if I would have lied about my role I could have come up with something better. I didn't lie because I am town and my role isn't something crazy like a cop or doc. To address the bolded I am mentioning me lying as a means to avoid pressure, which as town I wouldn't think I would have to do, not to avoid getting CC'ed. Town doesn't need to worry about their claim because they are being honest. As scum I ALWAYS worry about finessing my claim. It's because of this that I tend to have immaculate fake claims. Except for this random game where you are insinuating I didn't even try to come up with a good fake claim in the largest game we've had in years, you think this is the game I would just randomly throw as scum? Like I know your instinct is to be defensive and write paragraphs why I am wrong because your a debater. I am asking you to genuinely think about the things I am saying if you are town though and not just jump to having to the debater nature in you and just refute every point I am making. 

I don't think it's accurate that you only defend others as town when you are town, but I'll have to read back through previous games to see if I've missed something that glaringly obvious. As for Casey's read, I don't see it the same way they do, so I'm still not sure why you're directing this at me.
Look at Mharmans gunplay mafia, I went out of my way and argued HARD for Austins innocence when every town player thought he was scum. Look at feminist mafia when I was like the only person who thought ultra was town in dp1 and defended him (besides AR who no one took seriously anyway). Look at microbiology mafia where I was scum and just took advatange of the savant and wylted lynches because they were freebies. I defend people as town, and I take the ez wins when mafia. I am open to hearing evidence of the contrary, but again like I said above, if you have to go out of your way to find examples of this, its not genuine, it's that debater nature in you just looking to refute the things I am saying which means you aren't authentically looking at me as if I could be town to begin with. 
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@Casey_Risk
AR was the one who crashed out in that game
And he was town, wasn't he?
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I literally have as scum
Same. Once you reach a certain point, sometimes blowing everything up is the best choice and hope that some other target emerges in the chaos.
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And he was town, wasn't he?
Say what you will about RM, but I don't think he should be used as a barometer of normal human behavior.
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@Casey_Risk
AR was the one who crashed out in that game, I don't remember you doing that, certainly not like you've done it here. 
Read my interactions with mikal and AR prior to Mikal finally town reading me. Its a lengthy dp with 800+ posts, but I was definitely getting annoyed that mikal was wagoning me after I had been pressured by AR who literally never provided a single reason to scum read me other than being in a rage that I scum read him. 
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Because I’m at fucking work
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@Mikal
Yes
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Once you reach a certain point, sometimes blowing everything up is the best choice and hope that some other target emerges in the chaos.
Single link to an example? I've played a decent number of games and never seen it. Luna blowing up like this makes him the easy lynch. Would have been much easier for another target to emerge if scum Luna had played it cool or let his scum buddies redirect attention.
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@Savant
Interesting that you come in and defend lunatic when Mikal also had you in his POE with lunatic. I was actually agreeing with mikal about you posting less than normal this go around. Okay so you think luna is town, but who are your scum reads? Also why the difference in interest and activity this time around?
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Interesting that you come in and defend lunatic when Mikal also had you in his POE with lunatic
Sure I guess. Probably better to just lynch me over Luna since I'll be busier than I expected this game. If my plan was to keep Luna alive though, I'd have told him not to crash out. It rarely works, and Luna will probably be lynched this game despite my protests, unless I get myself lynched.

why the difference in interest and activity this time around?
Because I'm coding the new website almost entirely by myself, and DART could go dark at any moment so I'm working almost around the clock.
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@Savant
Fair enough.
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@iamanabanana
who are your scum reads?
Probably someone on Luna's train. Just too big an opportunity for scum to pass up if Luna is town, plus I rarely see a genuine train emerge this quickly.
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Probably someone on Luna's train. Just too big an opportunity for scum to pass up if Luna is town, plus I rarely see a genuine train emerge this quickly.
Scum would probably be quick to throw him under the bus though too for town cred I think.