Actually Unvote. I think Mharman would probably put more than one vanilla in a game this big.
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@Savant
In the absence of any mod statement that this game is role madness, the existence of multiple vanillas is not a CC. If you look back at Mharman's previous games, he's always included multiple VTs. (Gunplay is the lone exception).
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@Castin
This is a tricky game, a lot of the time it seems like you guys aren't basing your behavioral reads on very much at all.
Correct. We just chase cars
It’s a 14 person game. I don’t necessarily think Savant is lying but a bit FoS. I do think the existence of 2 vanillas is absolutely feasible in this scenario with this amount of people, but no matter what it’s still a FoS. I also didn’t like that he lead with vanilla rather than claiming the full role. It’s one of the first things he sees when reads and then claims a vanilla. Interesting
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@Savant
I believe this more than vaders
Actually gonna bounce off Casey’s point here (sorry), but Mharman does tend to include multiple vanillas. I forgot because it’s been a minute since I played in a Mharman game before so actually I kinda have a gut townish read on Savant
Sorry very swingy but Casey made an excellent point
Poor Castin lol
vaders claim is a short sword because he can be a copper sword. He can also be other swords. Its just odd in general.
Vaders claim seems to make more sense, but the CC is throwing me off.
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@Mikal
Its primary focus is on the copper short sword but it pointed out you can make variations. I didn’t want to word it in a way that was copy and pasted because if I displayed it as it was I feel like it would be borderline c and p
Anyway gonna take a break and head to the gym
Probably gonna type cuz it’s a cardio day and that just means treadmill and bike til let’s drop
I don't get the short sword as category or item thing if somebody said they were holding a short sword I wouldn't assume that they are holding a category but a single item.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I think he’s probably town. I think the pissed off behavior was directed at me because we are mod confirmed and he holds that higher because he knows he’s appealing to someone who is town. Where as he could be making a case for scum that makes sense and they could lie about understanding or agreeing. I think when I went with supa he took it as validation I am agreeing with him and calmed down
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@ResurgetExFavilla
also think supa is scum still tbh. Past the mod pm. I feel like Mharm is playing clean up and none of what sup has said still makes much sense.
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@Vader
Give a more thorough description of your justification please
Oh dear, i have a lot to catch up on.
Can we get a vote count please?
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@WyIted
It literally says category on the wiki page and he said he was reading the wiki
Vote Count
Vader (2/8) - Mikal/Castin, Lunatic
Mikal/Castin (1/8) - Irontoaster
Wylted (1/8) - Pie
Whiteflame (1/8) - Resurget
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I am a shortswordMy PM was listed as Short Sword. That’s why I was so confused. Mharman clarified the issue and said it was one word
I don’t think I am getting off supa. I feel like Mharm knows he fucked up with me and prob fucked up with supa and is playing clean Up
1) he said his pm said he’s a short sword. It would not say “a”. Mine says I am (xxx)s. a short sword doesn’t exist
2) also regardless of whether he was told by Mharm it was a category or not. He was on the wiki and it’s clearly labeled as category in big letters
3) I don’t buy the justification of vanilla for a weapon. A short sword seems to be one of the major weapons and just because it can be copper doesn’t make sense as a justification. It can be any short sword in the game. Why would Mharm just not make this a copper short sword since other people saying they are tiers of items
I’m probably going to stay with supa. I don’t think I’ll get off this and it gives me more info on Luna.
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@Mikal
You are a shortsword. This item can be found in different variations, but most well known for the Copper version, the one in which you start out with. Because of that, you are a vanilla
Taking it easy for the night, but my vote is prolly staying on supa unless we get a better lead, I still think he scum slipped and I don't like that he was referencing a wiki over his role pm.
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@Lunatic
I don't like that he was referencing a wiki over his role pm.
This is literally the opposite of what I was doing.
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@Vader
I hate this because it’s actually a good justification in context.
I will say that is a fake claim or someone that knows about the game. I don’t think supa could have did that himself.
Yeah honestly 471 just seems like Luna being extremely opportunistic to force a mislynch at this point. The whole 200+ pages was about how Mikal got referenced a wiki article and how it was different from my role PM. Just seems like Luna is throwing shit out there now because he got all the pressure off him. Call this omgus idgaf but even a basic skim would’ve known it was Mikal wiki vs my role PM. Clearly not trying
VTL Luna
Anyway thinking about the other teammates unless I get pinged for a read on Luna. I haven’t heard a lot from Wylted or Cerculian. A lot of Wylted stuff has been pretty basic and not really a lot of analysis, contrary to his play as town from what I’ve seen. Seems to just go with the flow which honestly is probably the most optimal strategy. Cerculiean kinda went awol since his first day but would like to here his thoughts
Banana has been awfully passive too for the most part. Gave some overall but not as much aggression as they usually come off with. Not necessarily scum reading but something to keep an eye out for
Don’t know how to read Skep. I think he has some valid analysis and deeply understanding things but I have 0 experience playing mafia with him so I don’t know his meta or if that’s normal so I still say bull but I’m probably gonna keep options open and be weary of him
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@Vader
Yeah honestly 471 just seems like Luna being extremely opportunistic to force a mislynch at this point. The whole 200+ pages was about how Mikal got referenced a wiki article and how it was different from my role PM. Just seems like Luna is throwing shit out there now because he got all the pressure off him. Call this omgus idgaf but even a basic skim would’ve known it was Mikal wiki vs my role PM. Clearly not tryingVTL Luna
My argument has been consistent since I initially called you out for it in 232. Mikal has issues with something else than me entirely. I don't even necessarily get mikals full argument.
"Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and apparently I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category"
I asked you how you read your PM wrong and you said:
"I didn’t read it wrong. My role should’ve been 1 word, not 2. I was confused cuz the wiki showed 1 but the PM showed 2. I asked a question and got a clarification. Didn’t read this wrong"
I don't understand why you are using the wiki instead of just reading from your role PM.
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@Lunatic
You literally just proved you didn’t listen. I first used my role PM to make my original statement. However, I asked about my role and didn’t get a response so I referenced the wiki and saw it was labeled as Shortsword and not Short Sword. Then Mharman admitted he made a mistake and it should’ve been one word. Then I directly reference what my role PM said
This is honestly the clearest explanation I’m giving and I’m tired of doing it to probable scum but it’s good for town to at least give an idea of the events. If you are still confused you are either blatantly ignoring my point or are scum forcing a mislynch
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@Mikal
he said his pm said he’s a short sword. It would not say “a”. Mine says I am (xxx)s. a short sword doesn’t exist
I'm going to be honest, this point doesn't mean much to me. Vader has gotten minor details about his role PM wrong before. This feels like it could easily be a genuine error.
also regardless of whether he was told by Mharm it was a category or not. He was on the wiki and it’s clearly labeled as category in big letters
Can you point me towards where he said it wasn't a category again?