Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

Author: Mharman
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Nope, I'm vanilla.

VTL Vader

Only hesitation is why wouldn't Vader use a fake claim if scum have them? And maybe there could be multiple vanillas in a 15-player game. But I don't think we're getting a better lynch today.
Lol Vanilla CC 💀💀
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I really doubt 2 vanillas 
I don't. Like I said earlier, look at Mharman's history as a mod. All of his previous games have had multiple vanillas, except for Gunplay Mafia, which only had one, but that was a notable change of pace for him. 
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Lol Vanilla CC 💀💀
For anyone else who doesn't know: I literally did this on a live Discord game recently with WyIted. It was a small game and I didn't buy that there were two Vanillas in that game. I was wrong.

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What makes you think they have 3 fake claims?
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You are a shortsword. This item can be found in different variations, but most well known for the Copper version, the one in which you start out with. Because of that, you are a vanilla
If this is in Supa’s PM, why even ask if short sword is a category. Makes zero sense

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After talking with David, turns out he's had a lot of incarnations

Kohai -> GMDebater -> Microsuck -> Mr.Infidel -> DoubtingDave -> ThinkBig -> Virtuoso -> David

and idk who socialpinko is or what happened to him then ig
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I didn’t see this either. Good catch from pie 
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I mentioned this like 3 times. It is supa though. But the fact his pm mentions it and he’s on the wiki. That’s what I’m just confused about. 
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A_R_O_S_E = Perussi
Wylted = too many accounts to mention, but he's currently "wyited" with a capital i

and idk who Aporia or TheHammer were, but they were from DDO
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Can you point me towards where he said it wasn't a category again?
Look up “terraria shortsword” on Google 
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What makes you think they have 3 fake claims?
That’s a good point. Considering we were specifically told by Mharman that we would not find out the number, that sticks out. Could you explain why you said this?
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I totally read over this but pie just likely caught a slip 
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Going to bed now, but I had in my notes that somewhere in the first DP someone asked the mod to confirm if they were given full fake claims or partial and he said full. Then Luna I think had some posts where he said he estimated three scum players and the math made sense to me. So I've been acting off the assumption that we have three scum players with full fake claims.
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Not first DP, first few pages. As I said, need sleep.
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This is the post. He said 'fake claimS' plural then said full claims.
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This is the post. He said 'fake claimS' plural then said full claims.
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I guess it could be two technically that was an oversight on my part. But it definitely isn't one otherwise there'd be no plural.
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@Vader
I hate 532. I understand that bussing has gotten mafia a lot of wins recently but to have a hard bus on each other as scum buddies in DP1 is not only insanely risky, but no logical sense at all. Even if I am looking at it from Pie's lense. At most you have 1 is scum and a 1v1 trade. This just feels extremely gun hoe and eager to stir mislynches, and I kinda have an FoS on Pie
That makes no sense. If I’m right, there’s 2 scum. Even if one of you flip town, it disproves my theory/gut feeling
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I believe JoeBob said he saw Mharmans deleted message. Anyways it didn't matter cuz Mharman essentially town confirmed him with his statement
Can you confirm this please?
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Why do you think they were given one each though and full claims? And not assume claims plural could mean a character and a role.

Like he could give them 

Short sword but not give them a role with it 

Or he could give them strengthen and not give them a character ?


Maybe you read that as all 3 scum got fake claims but that’s a very very odd assumption to draw from that especially with how smart you are at mafia. 
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Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

This is the post. He said 'fake claimS' plural then said full claims.
I can somewhat see where you got it if you combine different posts (the “three” specifically comes from a later estimate of the number of scum, which is a weak connection to Mharman’s statements), but I’ll note that even in that post, Mharman doesn’t confirm full claims. He confirms the existence of role and character fake claims for scum, which may work together or may not, may have justifications or may not. 
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Because why would a townie need to look anything up to answer questions about their on when the mod provided them all the info they need to know in their role PM? The only time I look at wikis is when I am scum researching for information to support a fake claim.
I look at the wiki irrespective of my affiliation. That’s how you do thematic analysis. Anyways, this is a moot point because it doesn’t make sense for Supa to even ask about category when it says in his PM according him that there are many variations
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It was mostly in how I wrote things in my notes. I wrote down that scum were given fake claims and that they were full claims as two separate lines and later on it just cemented in my head that they were given multiple full claims. I honestly didn't even think about them being given separate role and character claims. When Mharnam said 'both' I assumed that he meant they were given them coupled together.
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To be honest this is making me reassess my read on Supa/Vader in light of the possible lack of a fake claim. I'll revisit the whole thing again in the morning.
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I buy what REF is saying
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If it’s a theme I’m unfamiliar with I don’t need to look at the wiki if I’m town. I only look at wikis when I’m scum trying to claim or when I’m looking at other people’s claims trying to decide if their legit or not.

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I think this may be a you thing lol. 

I was pressing pretty hard for item or non item and also if there are tiers.  Very few people would have no idea what I’m talking about outside of a wiki. 
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I believe JoeBob said he saw Mharmans deleted message. Anyways it didn't matter cuz Mharman essentially town confirmed him with his statement
Can you confirm this please?
I did not. I remember Mikal did. I asked him what it said, and yes it was essentially town confirming mikal.
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This is what Supa said in a post:

“No there are no different tiers to this item”


Then Supa went and said this:

“No he said my character itself is not tiered. My however my pm mentions tiers but it is not my character. Especially one in particular”




It’s a clear contradiction.