Terraria Mafia #1 - DP1

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Lunatic (3/8) - Vader, Wylted
Vader (2/8) - Mikal/Castin, Lunatic
Casey (2/8) - Casey, Ultra
Wylted (1/8) - Pie
Cerulean (1/8) - Resurget
VTNL (1/8) - Irontoaster

Not Voting (5) Whiteflame, Savant, Banana, Cerulean, Joebob

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I thought Mikal was referencing if my character I was given was a subset of an item or if it wasn’t. Not the item itself
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VTL Pie

Might as well put that there while I catch up. On the last 24 hours.

(...This isn't a serious vote, to be clear.)
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To clarify: My character does have variants, but the differences between them are almost entirely cosmetic, so it wouldn't be accurate to call them "tiers."
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Like what are you talking about about with tiers? 

If you are talking about whether something like a short sword can have a different range of quality (tiers) than okay that's common sense. If you asked me if my character Is teired  I wouldn't even know what the fuck you were talking about. If their is talking about range of quality then it's an item and like all items I assume some range of quality
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Did anyone witness this?
I didn’t see it happen before it was deleted but he  later made an ominous post addressing the issue that basically confirmed it had happened so I am treating it as fact.
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Would Supa really make such an obvious scum slip if he were scum. The inconsistencies are too obvious. Almost seems more believable as a PM misunderstanding/fumble.
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After sleeping on it, I think it's more likely that Resurget just came up with that number of fake claims rather than scum slipped how many they were given. Doesn't seem terribly likely that the mod gave every scum member an individual fake full claim to work with anyway, and it does come across as a genuine error based on bits and pieces of information he had.

As for the VTNL irontoaster is suggesting, given that we have an even number of players, it's not something I would dismiss entirely so long as there is not a lynch most of us can agree on, especially since we have to rally 8 votes if we're going to get a lynch off. I still think Vader is a reasonable choice based on the information we have, but he hasn't posted yet today and I'm waiting to get his response to the contradiction pointed out by Pie yesterday.
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I want to see him answer the contradiction. Pie pointed this out and it’s something I pointed to way early. It could be a genuine supa slip but it also could be a scum slip. Pie certainly could be going for a mislynch and I have a hard time reading him but concerns seem to build on literally ever issue I have had with supa and he just cited posts to verify it. 
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Can you two please vote someone. I think you are the last to check for this vote issue 
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VTL Vader

Don't see a better case for anyone else at this point. WF has a point about the even number of players, but the game is big enough that a night kill could be skipped for some reason, or two people might die one night.
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Reads so far:

1. Lunatic - Strengthener - Lean town
Initial scum read was based on a lack of behavioral analysis, hyperfocusing on roles and stuff like that, and having a hard-on for Supa for what seemed to me to be spurious reasons. As I reread the DP I realized I initially scumread Mikal for the role fixation as well but was clearly proven wrong by the town confirmation. Maybe the meta has really changed since I last played. As for the Supa lynch, the fact that I was wrong about the fake claims makes Luna's position seem a lot more reasonable.

2. Mikal/Castin - Town confirmed

3. Ultra - Null/Lean Scum
I would really like to see more activity from Ultra, it's incredibly paltry.

4. Whiteflame - Null/Lean Town
His reasoning seems town-motivated and genuine overall, but it's just a gauzy impression at this point and I think he's a good enough player to fool me. Been waffling on it all day.

5. Pie - ?
Asking for feedback on Pie from players who are more familiar with his style. Is he normally so bombastic?  The very brazen and decisive reads make me lean town because scum are usually more risk-averse DP1 but is this just his playstyle?

7. Casey - Null
I'm just not confident in my ability to read Casey. I've heard that he's a good player and I'm not at all familiar with his playstyle, and he's being very reserved. I do agree with a lot of what he posts but he also could be buddying me, which I'm paranoid about.

8. Savant - Lean Town
He's the only inactive with a really good excuse, and the vanilla counterclaim just strikes me as something that scum wouldn't do. You put yourself in a potential 1v1 and risk a third vanilla claim coming out of the woodwork for... what?

9. Vader - Lean scum
Now that I'm not longer eliminating the possibility of him coming up with a fake claim his behavior seems a lot more plausible from a scum motivation standpoint. I'd like to hear more from him on his claim.

10. Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb Null/Lean scum
One of the reasons that I didn't articulate at the time when I was trying to get a read on Tuff/Luna is that his claim really doesn't make sense to me alongside this one. If town has a strengthener, what is the point if the cop is also a bomb? The role is already of limited use to town, the one person you'd want to use it on is the cop, but with this role doing that would be suicide. And since when is poisoner a town role? At first I town read Iron for this very bizarre and brazen claim but what if scum was given cop as a fake claim? This would be a really good way to both dissuade investigation and explain watcher results/deaths. Unless town has a lot of non-cop investigative roles it all makes little sense to me.

That said, half this read is due to inactivity and the other half is due to me now believing that Luna is more town than Iron is. He's said he will be more active, and I look forward to being able to get a better read on him.

11. Joebob - Null
I'd really like more reads and feedback on behavior from Joebob, his activity hasn't generated a lot of that and he seems to be on the periphery of every discussion.

12. Wylted - Null/Lean Town
If I recall correctly, Wylted plays quite brutally as scum and is willing to bus scummates who aren't pulling their weight and is also not shy about pushing mislynches. Correct me if he's changed his playstyle over the years. But I can't see that Wylted going against the grain on the Supa wagon the way that he has. If Supa was scum Wylted would have bussed his ass and if he was town he wouldn't be going against the grain to tap the brakes on that wagon.

13. Banana - Null
I'd really like more activity from Banana. She did at least give reads, which was more than we've gotten from the other inactives, but if I don't hear more from her by the end of today it will start to become a bit suspicious.

14. Cerulean - Null/Lean Scum
I still think the opening post was suspicious, and I haven't heard enough to solidify a read. The quieter he becomes the more suspicious I become. I'd really like Cerulean to pipe up. He said he was catching up earlier. His early reads of Mikal did make sense to me but then the activity dropped off a cliff.

I'd prefer lynching one of the more inactive players as I think that scum is more likely to be hiding there DP1, but I would settle for a Supa lynch. I hate no-lynching DP1 because it's one less flip to shed light on DP1 behaviors during DP2. I don't care about the math.
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You are mostly correct but I prefer to be bussed than the other way around. The only time I can recall aggressively bussing somebody is when they were trying to bus me DP1 merely because I got some heat that is just a natural party of the early game. It was Romanii that did it. 


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Could be ResurgetExFavilla and Mikal from the way they are interacting, maybe Luna's in on it too if the plan is to fake mod confirm Mikal. I think faking that is very doable, all Mikal would have to do is ask the mod whether he'd confirm alleged posts he made. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's what happened.

Castin and Mikal also don't seem to really be on the same page, not sure if I should be sussing that. If they're town, they should generally agree, if they're scum, then maybe they just want to independently look townie.
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Definitely willing to drive mislynches. Town do it all the time so might as well do it as scum. Fuck these people who play passively as scum
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This doesn’t even make sense. It would have be WF as he is the one who also saw the post as well. Luna and everyone else is saying the mod responded to the fact he deleted the post is confirmation 


But wf saw it as well 
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Asking for feedback on Pie from players who are more familiar with his style. Is he normally so bombastic? The very brazen and decisive reads make me lean town because scum are usually more risk-averse DP1 but is this just his playstyle?
Definitely. Pie is one of those players who has a VERY consistent meta, and nothing about his play so far is out of the ordinary.

I'm just not confident in my ability to read Casey. I've heard that he's a good player and I'm not at all familiar with his playstyle, and he's being very reserved. I do agree with a lot of what he posts but he also could be buddying me, which I'm paranoid about.
Fair enough, I have actually been less active so far than I initially intended. As far as the Vader wagon goes, I do understand it and am not totally opposed to it simply because even if he doesn't get lynched today, he's still probably going to carry a lot of suspicion through the rest of the game, and it's useful to get that cleared up early. That being said, something about it feels off to me somehow. Like, maybe he just screwed up really bad as scum, I'm not ruling that out. But at the same time, the way he went about his claim doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me from a scum perspective. In particular, I'm really inclined to believe him when he says that his pm said "short sword" (two words) when it should have been one word. Of course, it could still be a fakeclaim.

I do get the feeling that Vader is probably going to be the lynch today regardless, and I don't think he's necessarily a bad choice (losing a VT is hardly the end of the world after all). I'm just not super confident in it. But I'll admit that I don't have any better alternatives that I'm more confident in right now. 
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I think toaster could be town and I don’t want to say why her because it’s TMI but I think I understand the claim. 
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The quieter he becomes the more suspicious I become
I'd be surprised if nobody else was saying this, considering my most recent two scum games I coasted and let my teammate do most of the heavy lifting.
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Actually, I want my stale pre-actual-thinking vote to go here instead.

VTL Casey
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Up to post 308, I can't remember ever seeing Lunatic this gloomy. And he's been in worse positions before, maybe this is because it's Day 1?

I'm willing to accept the Loom claim because despite what Mikal said about being mostly for vanity, it can be used to make useful items, like this: https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Amber_Robe

So far, what actually has me hung up on Lunatic's alignment is 306, because it reads like an assumption Joebob is Town.
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This is hard to read.

Is there a way to see who's liked a post? I've seen a couple I'd like to know, although I'm not sure how relevant it would be.


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Is there a way to see who's liked a post? I've seen a couple I'd like to know, although I'm not sure how relevant it would be.
I don't think so, no. But you can always ask.
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The main susses up to Page 14 were Lunatic and Vader and they're still the top wagons now? Might be dead Air, dead Villager. Not sure how warm I am on Vader, will probably have to go back and triple check what happened there.
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So far, what actually has me hung up on Lunatic's alignment is 306, because it reads like an assumption Joebob is Town.
I do see where you're coming from, but personally, I don't see it that way. I don't think you've played a game with JoeBob before, but he tends to be a low poster and not a super contributory player. It was clear from how he was contributing at the beginning of this game that he's actually invested this time around (presumably due to actual knowledge of the theme), but he's kind of dried up since. So, I get what Luna is saying and don't see it as a scumtell necessarily.
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The main susses up to Page 14 were Lunatic and Vader and they're still the top wagons now?
Luna is technically the top wagon but there's also an apparent hidden voter there. It's a pretty stale wagon, however, no real momentum behind it. Vader looks like the most likely wagon right now. 
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Because that feels like it mod confirms supa and he is trying to cover up for the fact he gave supa wrong info (437)
I think this feels like maybe we should stop angleshooting about mod comms, hm?

VTL Joebob (for unrelated reasons)
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Did an ISO of super 


  • Gotcha.I would say mine is more of a base item.
  • This is from the example you gave fyi - referring to me
  • No there are no different tiers to this item
  • Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category
  • I didn’t read it wrong. My role should’ve been 1 word, not 2. I was confused cuz the wiki showed 1 but the PM showed 2. I asked a question and got a clarification. Didn’t read this wrong  This was pretty pushy of you to jump so fast…
  • Normally I would 100% agree and back tracking would be 100% scummy. But please reference my original response where I claimed it did not have a category. I was clarifying simply that mine is a sole item rather than a category
  • No he said my character itself is not tiered. My however my pm mentions tiers but it is not my character. Especially one in particular(Tbf this adds up with this claim)
  • I’m not a category. My character has multiple but my claimed character does not categories. Period.
  • No it isnt  My character is just shortsword. Thats what it is. It can be have multiple tiers according to PM. Don’t know what’s hard  Can we focus on actually hunting scum instead of this useless split
  • Then I got mine clarified when I asked if it was just a shortsword, which the mod replied Yes it is and I made a mistake in the role. That’s when I saw it was an item with multiple subset  So I guess it’s a category? I don’t even know tbh this fucking sucks cuz I really can’t defend myself from constant shifting at this point and it fucking sucks I can’t get clarification at all. Mine said you are an item so I don’t know what’s to tell you. My pm you said you are an item that comes in multiple sets. If that’s really the point of a mislynch idgaf cuz playing and constantly bickering for something out of control is useless and frankily fucking stupid
  • Its primary focus is on the copper short sword but it pointed out you can make variations. I didn’t want to word it in a way that was copy and pasted because if I displayed it as it was I feel like it would be borderline c and p
  • You are a shortsword. This item can be found in different variations, but most well known for the Copper version, the one in which you start out with. Because of that, you are a vanilla
  • Because I thought it was a base item? Didn't think it was a category of item.
  • I thought Mikal was referencing if my character I was given was a subset of an item or if it wasn’t. Not the item itself
I really struggle to follow how lost he is. Specifically because I used axe and iron axe to clarify what I was asking for and his is short swords - and references a copper sword in his pm. Much less he said he was on the wiki 


Can someone tell I’m nuts for thinking it’s impassible to mess this up. Is he really this dense accident or is it a fake claim scrambling. 
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I'm townlocking Savant for today minimum unless someone can provide me an example of him running a risky claim like that as scum.
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Define risky