Lowering taxes is controversial?
One Big Beautiful Bill
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There is nothing wrong with the Big Beautiful Bill. Everyone adds to the debt. The debt is not like other debt. US is not going to go bankrupt. What are you all crying about?
My heritage is through the Koch family from Germany.
OBTW, so is Albert Einstein's.
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@yachilviveyachali
You are right, Trump never had a bankruptcy!
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@Umbrellacorp
Lets pretend.
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@LucyStarfire
What?
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@FLRW
Since you support Russia, you probably support the russiafication of Germany the past 75 years. You will probably support the Muslimification even though it is authoritarian right.
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@Umbrellacorp
Dont be sad.
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@LucyStarfire
Okay sweetie
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@Umbrellacorp
Be happy.
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@Double_R
So, are we finally going to admit
"We" who? You and your windsock puppet? You have Trump so deeply embedded in your head, you likely include yourself in your scorn even while he lives there, rent-free. Let it go, already. Is there nothing else to stir the pot than Trump all day and night? God in heaven, get a life
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@Debunker
Lets pretend.
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@LucyStarfire
You guys should match your stories. You are telling me that people cant pay for their own healthcare, and this other guy is telling me...
I don't care what some other guy is telling you, I speak for myself. Did you read what I wrote, do you have any thoughts about it?
Not looking for a response just to respond, if you have nothing worthy to contribute feel free to ignore this post.
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@WyIted
Why do you oppose no tax on tips. No tax on overtime. And getting rid of wasteful spending in Medicare so it can be used by more people and sustainable for a longer period of time? Do you hate poor people who depend on Medicare or do you hate the working class who need the money they earn on overtime and tips?
Not sure who this was for, so I'll assume myself since I started the thread and this is at least close to being on topic.
This is yet another example of you inventing a Boogeyman to argue with. I really don't know why you bother, at some point one would think it would be more interesting talking to real people.
Opposing a bill doesn't mean you oppose everything in it. No tax on tips is at least conceptually a good idea. Same with no tax on overtime. No one opposes getting rid of wasteful spending. The only people who hate the poor are the ones stripping them of their healthcare.
Any more questions you'd like to ask a real person?
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@Double_R
Did you read what I wrote
I already stated my position.
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@fauxlaw
So, are we finally going to admit"We" who? You and your windsock puppet? You have Trump so deeply embedded in your head, you likely include yourself in your scorn even while he lives there, rent-free. Let it go, already. Is there nothing else to stir the pot than Trump all day and night? God in heaven, get a life
This is such a stupid post.
It seems apparent first off all that your answer is "no", you're not going to admit that the republican party are not the party of the forgotten man as Trump used to tout. That was predictable, as was your propensity to deflect, so not exactly disappointing.
But what's ridiculous is to pretend like we're not supposed to be talking about the president of the United States, especially as he upends everything we all used to agree made us the superpower we are. But I get it, if I found myself supporting this monstrosity out of pride or whatever keeps you supporting him I would duck and dodge the conversation too.
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@LucyStarfire
Be happy.
Please only contact me during lecture hours!
Well the USA did prove H L Mencken correct and elected a downright moron twice.
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@FLRW
He is probably a moron, like most Americans.
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@Umbrellacorp
Keep talking nonsense.
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@Double_R
Dud I say I support Trump? I'm an Indie. I voted for Trump b because the other choice was a cat-5 joke who garnered not one single solitary primary vote. The Party choose her, regardless of the voters' preference, which was clearly Biden until he was shoved out. BY THE PARTY. And this is the third time in modern history that the Democrat Party has nominated against the will of primary votes of the people.
First, in 1952, nominating Stevenson over the primary winner, Kefauver.
Then, in 1968, nominating Humphrey over McCarthy, the primary winner [although had Kennedy survived his assassination, he would likely have taken the primary.
And, last year, Kammycakes.
When are you going to get it the Democrat Party plays by its own rules, re-writing as necessary, the people's vote be damned.
When are you going to get it the Democrat Party plays by its own rules, re-writing as necessary, the people's vote be damned.
But, you go ahead with your assumptions...
Personal attack is the last of a lost argument, because you cannot conceive any better argument. I'll let that lay down. Am I ignoring we're talking about the President. I am; he's the one who won both by Elec College and the pop vote. Have you another you'd like to mention out of a wish balloon factory?
Who hates the poor? Well, by appearances of the last 40 years of jealousy for Wall Street, it sure appears that's descriptive of the Dem Party, since the official position is that the poor can be kept in line by giving away free stuff, rather than encouraging private, individual ambition, planning, and execution. That's how to make an enduring stash for one's self, so that charity can be privatized rather than expecting it of government. That privatization was always the true intent of charity, because the private sector is so much closer to the need. The Dem Party attitude on charity: Oh, give the man a blanket, but God, no! Do not let him touch me.
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@FLRW
Yes, they did. Oba'a.
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@Double_R
No one opposes getting rid of wasteful spending. The only people who hate the poor are the ones stripping them of their healthcare.
How does it strip the poor of their healthcare to cut wasteful spending in that program so it's more sustainable long term and can help more people?
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@fauxlaw
Dud I say I support Trump? I'm an Indie. I voted for Trump b because the other choice was a cat-5 joke who garnered not one single solitary primary vote. The Party choose her, regardless of the voters' preference, which was clearly Biden until he was shoved out. BY THE PARTY. And this is the third time in modern history that the Democrat Party has nominated against the will of primary votes of the people.
This is why I don't take you seriously when you claim to not be a Trump supporter, cause even if that's somehow true you are indistinguishable from one as you sit here jumping through logic pretzels to justify voting for him.
First off all, calling Harris a joke in contrast to the biggest buffoon we've ever seen in American political life is already ridiculous. But even worse is the fact that you are in part justifying your vote for the guy who literally tried to steal an election on the idea that the democrats do not practice democracy adequately enough for you. Wow.
Let's look at what you're complaining about. You say the party chose her regardless of voters preference. Well, if you look at the primary ballots that were cast, they actually voted for the ticket where Joe Biden would be at the top, and Kamala would be his backup if he could no longer continue. That's exactly what happened. It was exactly what they voted for.
The concept of democracy is where the voters choose their leaders. Democracy does not entail the person chosen by the voters to serve against his/her will. So once Biden resigned, they were months away from the election and couldn't possibly have run a primary, so they choose their only option at that point. This is exactly how democracy is supposed to work.
You do not care about this. If you did you would be looking at the other side with the guy who incited an attack on the US Capitol because his ego couldn't handle the will of the people.
No one who doesn't support Trump would think any of this sounds reasonable.
Am I ignoring we're talking about the President. I am; he's the one who won both by Elec College and the pop vote. Have you another you'd like to mention out of a wish balloon factory?
You guys really do feel big about yourselves now that your side finally won the popular vote for the first time in 20 years don't you?
When Biden won the popular vote the right talked about the 74 million people who voted for Trump constantly, for 4 whole years. The idea was that we cannot ignore the will of such a sizable chunk of the American electorate. But now that Trump, finally, for the first time in three tries, won the popular vote now you guys think it's game over no one else matters.
So yes I get that you want to ignore what the president of the United States is doing cause you have more important things to focus on. Why don't we spend some more time talking about what bathrooms trans people are using or how all those brown people picking fruit are stealing our jobs.
Who hates the poor? Well, by appearances of the last 40 years of jealousy for Wall Street, it sure appears that's descriptive of the Dem Party, since the official position is that the poor can be kept in line by giving away free stuff, rather than encouraging private, individual ambition, planning, and execution.
Right. So the party that believes in ensuring poor people have what they need to live is the party that hates them, and the party that believes in stripping them of these things so that they can give it to the rich so that the rich can graciously give it back to them... That's the party that loves the poor.
Cause that makes sense.
If you actually cared about encouraging ambition, planning and execution, you would support things that would make people want to work, like a living wage for example. But I suspect you don't care about that one either.
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@LucyStarfire
It’s a common talking point — that people should “pay for their own healthcare” instead of having others foot the bill — but that framing reveals a misunderstanding of how the U.S. healthcare system actually functions, both in private and public sectors. Let’s break that down, using actual data and structure.
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Nobody truly pays “only for themselves” in a capitalist healthcare system.
In the U.S., even private health insurance is based on risk pooling — everyone pays premiums into a collective fund so that some people can receive care when needed. That’s how insurance works. You don’t get your own personal savings account for future treatment — your payments subsidize others, and when you get sick, others subsidize you. So if you’re against “others paying for your healthcare,” then you’re also against the fundamental premise of private insurance, Medicare, and even emergency care. This reveals a contradiction: most people rely on systems where others do pay into a shared pot.
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Public healthcare spending in the U.S. is already the highest in the world.
According to the OECD, as of 2022, the U.S. government spent about $11,912 per person on healthcare — more than any other country, including countries with universal healthcare like the UK, Canada, or France. And yet, those countries insure everyone, while the U.S. still leaves tens of millions either uninsured or underinsured.
Source: OECD Health Statistics, 2023
In fact, a 2020 study in The Lancet found that roughly 64% of U.S. healthcare spending comes from public sources — Medicare, Medicaid, VA, public employee plans, and tax subsidies for employer coverage. This means Americans already pay for public healthcare — they just don’t get a universal system in return.
Woolhandler & Himmelstein, The Lancet, 2020
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Outcomes are worse despite higher costs.
- Life expectancy: Lower than most developed countries — around 76.4 years in the U.S. vs 81.1 years in OECD countries.
- Infant mortality: One of the highest among wealthy nations.
- Medical bankruptcies: Over half a million families file for bankruptcy each year due to medical bills — a crisis unique to the U.S.
- Access delay: 1 in 4 Americans skip necessary care due to cost, even if insured.
Sources: CDC, Kaiser Family Foundation, Commonwealth Fund, Health Affairs
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Capitalism is the reason for this dysfunction.
U.S. healthcare is profit-driven. Insurance companies profit by denying care. Hospitals price-gouge. Pharmaceutical companies can charge $500 for insulin that costs $6 to produce. No other wealthy country allows that — because profit is not the organizing principle of care.
If we applied capitalist logic to the fire department or clean water, we’d ask people to pay out of pocket while they burn or drink lead. Healthcare should not be a market commodity — it’s a human necessity.
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“Pay your own way” is a myth — and a dangerous one.
Who really “pays their own way”? The healthy 25-year-old? Until they get cancer or have a stroke? Healthcare costs are unpredictable and extreme. The average cost of a 3-day hospital stay in the U.S. is over $30,000. Without collective payment — insurance, government programs, or single-payer — most people would be ruined by a single injury.
Final point: The idea that “others shouldn’t pay for your healthcare” isn’t just misinformed — it’s fundamentally anti-social. Society exists precisely because we pool resources for common needs: roads, defense, education, water, and yes — healthcare. The current U.S. model already fails at cost, efficiency, and equity. We pay more, get less, and let millions suffer. That’s not strength or freedom. It’s a failed capitalist experiment.
If you’re truly interested in helping the “forgotten men and women” — the working class, the poor, the disabled, the elderly — you’d demand more public healthcare, not less.
We pay more, get less, and let millions suffer. That’s not strength or freedom.
Ameerican average people pay about 30% of yearly income .
Ottawa, Ontario, The average family pays about 44% of income in total taxes.
14% tax difference = about $11,900 more paid per year in Ottawa
$11,900 (tax savings) − $6,000 (average yearly American health costs) = $5,900 left over if you lived in America.
debunked.
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@Proletariat
Capitalism is the reason for this dysfunction
Not really. Medicaid and medicare is government healthcare. Other countries like Switzerland have mandatory private healthcare, which is closer to Capitalism, thus superior.
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@LucyStarfire
He must have been talking about Canada where people are screwed with a capitalist banker in charge of everything.
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@Double_R
you sit here jumping through logic pretzels to justify voting for him.
A decision between Trump and Kammycakes is a logic pretzel? My, your life must certainly be more complicated than mine, because that was a decision that non-woke Democrats made, as well. I'm just a happy guy, and it appears that is unfamiliar to you. Can't help you. Going to have knee surgery today, so, sorry, I'm not going to genuflex to the rest of your text wall.