Moderation/Policy Revision/Discuss your policy ideas

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We've got to stop protesting every ban and trying to fight every battle. You're just doing your duty as a DART user by standing up for other fellow members, and your rights and I can appreciate that but we're just dragging this thing out. There is no vision or direction in mind to guide this path towards which just raises a fundamental question here.:

What is the endgame?

When I made that thread about the ban on chap470, it was with a deliberate goal in mind. I wasn't standing up for the rights of one user but attempting to get the mods to reframe their whole policy model.: Which is to stop being ridiculous with permanent bans. 
Now ideally, permanent bans should be used very rarely in only extreme situations, with formal warnings and short/temp bans being the default consequence. 

A short/temp ban is just enough of an inconvenience for the user that it acts as a deterrent all on its own, that doesn't have the everlasting consequence of killing off the site's population. 
Realistically, publicizing and complaining about a 3-day ban accomplishes nothing but communicates confusion and indecision for the mod team. They will start to believe we will never be satisfied about anything and then just do what they want. They have at least demonstrated they are willing to negotiate by changing Chap470's permanent ban to a 90 day ban, and then rewriting the reason for zedvictor's ban. 

Publicizing and appealing zedvictor's ban is pointless, unnecessary, and futile. The point of appealing a ban should be done with a purpose in mind, this accomplished nothing. 
So discuss your enforcement ideas for moderation. 
Ideally, Savant and Mikal would be the policymakers if it were up to me. Lemming is also a strong candidate.
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Do you realise Savant and Mikal oppose your moderation principles big time?
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Adaptable rat always rambling by the way.
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Do you realise Savant and Mikal oppose your moderation principles big time?
They were elected by popular vote to be moderators.

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Are they?
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Maybe... I cant really tell if that is confirmed count.


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Do you realise Savant and Mikal oppose your moderation principles big time?
Their models would still achieve a desirable outcome.
Said differences are irrelevant, if their versions still yield results that are more than acceptable. Probably a lot better than mine. 
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Well said. 

Never really understood the mods vs members division that quickly sprang up on DART, but fully agree that we have too few members to be too trigger happy with permabans.
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What were the last few permabans anyway?

Looks like Shila and Lashwnda. Actually, can't really fault the mods for either.
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Right now, all of this is white noise and there's a strong chance the current site could go dark in the next few days. We're already working on a new site, which will already be a chance to start fresh. Airmax will be providing the backing for it, so he'll be involved in the process, and his laid-back mod style will be a big influence moving forward. 

There will also be a few additional core members involved which are myself, Bullish, and Savant. We will be revisiting the community guidelines (Ragnar is working on an updated Code of Conduct), but the goal isn't to let chaos reign. We will continue to enforce standards, but I'll advocate for more transparency, keeping thorough records for all bans, and generally being more laid back. 

Mods are great, but their approach can sometimes come off as heavy-handed. By bringing in different perspectives from those on the opposite side of the aisle, it should help 
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Four more days and then we get to see. Renewal or rebirth. 

THE NEW AGE DRAWS NIGH.
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 there's a strong chance the current site could go dark in the next few days
I will miss this site, but I do keep contact on discord.

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We should have the other one up soon 
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Say 'resurrection' rather than rebirth.
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If you need help with coding, Grok 4 is bragging to have great coding abilities, but right now its not free AI. But could be free soon. Grok 3 is free and can code too I think. Its also uncensored AI like Twitter is now basically uncensored.
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Not sure if that helps but just fyi (sure you prob know this but just in case )
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I asked Grok 3, and it can code. I am sure its much faster than coding manually, and even if it makes a mistake, just ask it to code again until it gets it right. And its free. Grok 4 could be free soon too, but right now its expensive.
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I know he’s using some Ai to help. Not sure what. 
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Really grok4 isn’t that bad if it actually managed to help with most of the site.