I think we leave Ceru alive for now. Tomorrow if there’s not a message then it’s even more suspicious.
Agreed
I don't think a strengthener is a scummy claim. Its towns only recourse against a roleblocker, thats pretty powerful.
A commuter is also a very powerful role for town to have, but it's scummy because it's alignment neutral. Strengthener is also alignment-neutral and can be used to explain away visits for more nefarious purposes. I didn't say that it wasn't powerful, only that it's a claim that scum would make.
Something about this post bothers me. It’s like my logical thought was if an anti poison role does exist it was to counter TVs role. It sure I believe that
But you went a step further and say the justification for his claim is because you think mafia or someone likely had another poison ability.
It’s almost like knowledge that should not be there. I did not even consider a second poison role exists which is why I didn’t buy the claim
Kind of agree with the TMI here btw
This seems scummy. I can believe Mikal missing Ceru's post that I originally got the idea from (#48). I don't believe that you missed that post, my correction (#83), Casey's noticing of Ceru's post (#81), and Mikal's acknowledgement of this and retraction of the post that you quoted (#85). The fact that you posted this immediately after I said I would be AWOL for a while and apparently were just skimming the DP for scum reads to agree with (while not actually investigating the substance of them) does not feel town at all. It feels like scum trying to get the ball rolling on a mislynch when somebody can't defend themselves.
Haven't mentioned it yet, but I townread your claim. The flipped Poisoner at least suggests the existence of some capacity to respond, whether scum have it or not. And regardless of who else has a Poisoner role, if you are scum, this would be a pretty ballsy claim to make given the number of unclaimed we still have. I don't see Mharman giving away that this role doesn't exist to scum, either, since that could potentially give away to scum that there is a town Poisoner in the game. It's possible, but unlikely, and I'd sooner believe you just went for it.
There was no flipped poisoner. There was a flipped 1x JOAT town poisoner. Why give town a role solely devoted to counter a 1x town ability? Unless there is a scum poisoner, the role makes no sense.
Something about whiteflame has been niggling me the whole game and I think I just grasped a little bit on it. It seems to be that Whiteflame is very concerned about not being nightkilled, is very concerned about not being lynched, and is not very concerned about hunting scum. The claim is designed to not draw the NK because it's scummy and makes him a potential lynch target (if not mafia) while posing no threat to scum so dissuades a NK. The cursory scumhunting that mostly ends with suffusing active scumreads with doubts and misgivings and subtly buddies people by taking the wind out of the sails of wagons (horrible mixed metaphor) combined with a general lack of activity is just enough to dissuade lynches targeting him. The lack of aggressive, effect scumhunting also stops scum from seeing him as a threat. I think he lied about his role, and people townread him for it because it's not a typical whiteflame carefully constructed fakeclaim but a very sloppy one. What if it only seems sloppy because he's trying to avoid being NK'd? He might be non-mafia scum. Some sort of survivor. Or maybe a cult leader, the visits could disguise recruitment attempts and the game is big enough for it. I've long kept the theory in the back of my head that there is some sort of recruitment mechanic in this game because they usually require big games to be balanced and Mharman was very, very assiduous in making sure he got enough players for this big game. What could make a big game difficult to pare down and require you to go full roster or bust? A recruitment mechanic.
I was keeping quiet about this because I thought he might be a mason but I just reread this DP and realized that he visited Banana, who was the top scumread at the close of last DP. There is zero reason for a mason to make that visit. IMO the top likely scenarios are some sort of role that wouldn't clue a town player in to the fact that something was being done to them. Not a roleblocker or something like that, but a third party recruiter (which would clue them in while changing their alignment so they wouldn't squeal) or a scum framer. At first, I thought from a role perspective that a framer actually makes the most sense. Banana's clumsy claim makes me shift lean town on them, and if they were town they were the perfect target for a framer as the cop would likely have investigated them in the night. The cop being killed puts a dent in this theory but they could be worried that the cop was protected, and in that case if their NK failed they would likely have a guaranteed mislynch the next day if Banana were framed.
I'm questioning the wagon analysis and POE based on that. It's standard scum practice to not all be on the same wagon. There is probably one scum on the WF wagon but I think it's unlikely that all of them were.
This DP Pie seems a lot more town than Luna. His scumhunting seems more pointed and driven, he's asking the right questions, he's analytical. Luna reads like the scumhunting is very lazy and that he's coasting on towncred, which makes me give the bus theory a bit more credence.
VTL Luna
