Unbeatable argument? (Social transitioning at young age)

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So I was on modern day debate, and generally, people seem to be either ignoring comments either unable to respond to my argument.

So argument is made out of two parts.

Premise 1:

Parents dont own their children.

This claim is true, because opposite claim is absurd. We cannot say that parents always own their children, since that would allow unspeakable crimes. We also cannot say that parents sometimes own their children, because who gets to decide what sometimes is? Government doesnt own children either, neither does society. So there is no one who can decide this.

Premise 2.

If parents dont own their children, then the decisions affecting child must be in the interest of child's wants, either as current or future self.

Opposite of this premise is impossible, as if no one owns children, the only thing thats left is that child owns himself, either as current self or future adult.

Now, social transitioning accomplishes both current wants and future wants, as over 99% of trans adults agree with social transition as children.

The only response I got from modern day debate is that children cant be allowed to make decisions, because children are dumb and cant be allowed to smoke and do other stuff.

However, this was just a bad strawman of my argument.

First, social transition is not nearly as harmful as smoking, so the mere comparison is illogical.

Second, smoking is generally regretted. Social transitioning as child is not regretted. In fact, it is regretted to not allow social transition as child.

So the argument is very much unchallenged.
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Here is my version of what happened. I didnt remember everything they said because like 5 people talked at same time at one point.
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Yes it'll be posted shortly. You can go back, replay it and everyone can hear.
You may want to post another forum topic after the video is up to share the link out there.
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Yes it'll be posted shortly. You can go back, replay it and everyone can hear.
Can you make it so it shows my comments? Because only like 1 claim from my comments was mentioned.

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I don't think so now. The room or channel is gone. I don't see it. If you would of let me know earlier, I could have screen recorded all the comments.

But we read some of your comments and that is the recording of the audio to the video that will be uploaded. 
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Alright, but they only read 1 claim from the argument. They said I need to get a mic. I do have mic on my phone and laptop, I just cant talk due to my speech disorder, so thats not an option.
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Did you tell them about the impediment you say you have?
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No, you mentioned at start that I wont be talking using voice, but they all seem to ignore comments. They are much more interested in people who talk.
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It's just more of a task trying to keep up with the comments. I tried. I think I was doing most of the reading.

Then the room starting growing more than the others. 
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Parents dont own their children.

This claim is true, because opposite claim is absurd. We cannot say that parents always own their children, since that would allow unspeakable crimes. We also cannot say that parents sometimes own their children, because who gets to decide what sometimes is? Government doesnt own children either, neither does society. So there is no one who can decide this.
This is sort of like claiming “Museums don’t own their artifacts. This is true because otherwise, a museum could theoretically be allowed to destroy an artifact, and we know that isn’t the case.” But museums do have a sort of ownership of their artifacts. Similarly, pet owners… own their pets. This doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want with them legally.

These legal relationships are more accurately described by the phrase “have custody of.” Museums have custody of their artifacts; pet owners have custody of their pets; and parents have custody of their children.
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The ownership is considered as having ability to decide about something. Shared ownership was already a defeated argument, as well as partial ownership.
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“have custody of”
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“have custody of”
If you dont want to attack an argument, that is fine.

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Again, thats just strawman. Government doesnt own kids, and parents dont own kids, so likewise, the two cannot have shared ownership either.
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From post 10: 

“parents have custody of their children.”
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parents have custody of their children
Irrelevant to my argument. You either can impose your decision on children or you cant. There is no 3rd option, and "sometimes can" was already defeated argument.
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Custody

cus·to·dy
/ˈkəstədē/
noun
the protective care or guardianship of someone or something.

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To put it more simply, there is no person who can morally always impose decisions on child. And the reason why "sometimes can impose" doesnt work either is because the requirement for someone to be able to decide what "sometimes" is already assumes that person can always impose decisions, which is morally not allowed.
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You dont get it, thats okay.
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Your argument can be owned; that’s for sure.
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If you dont want to debate, fine. I dont think you even understood the given argument.
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I’m sure this will explain everything:

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If you want to run away from debate, fine. Its your style.
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Similarly, just because I have owned you, that does not mean that I can legally stop you from claiming to anyone who will listen that your argument is unassailable.
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I guess you have no response to post 19. Maybe go ask AI to explain it to you.

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@LucyStarfire
Definitively speaking a parent owns a child, just as a child owns a parent.

Though like a lot of words, own has variable interpretations and connotations.


You would perhaps say that you own your chickens.

Whereas chickens probably don't conceptualise notions such as ownership.
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The ownership in this case is clearly defined as opposite of "the decisions affecting child must be in the interest of child's wants, either as current or future self."

But again, you have to understand the argument to attack it.
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Lucy, my pfp is how your future self looks.