Let's talk about the N-word

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I don't know why but Youtube recommended me some videos of blacks beating the shit out of white racists when they throw this unspeakable word that everyone in this forum is afraid of saying, except Wylted of course. You know, this word that starts with "NI" and ends with "ER", or "A", depending on what accent you prefer to say it.

I think nothing justifies violence. I see a lot of comments encouraging people to beat racists but I guess this is worse because you can also go to jail for injuring people. To me, beating is not the same as offending verbally, no matter the words you use. I can get really pissed off if you find the words that gets me, but I'm not going to beat you for that. I guess it's the same with the N-word, whatever the historical load it has, it's stupid to get mad at it.

Do you think the N-word is overestimated? It's a racial slur but if black people get aggressive with it, there could be a problem of self-esteem.
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I don't know why but Youtube recommended me some videos of blacks beating the shit out of white racists when they throw this unspeakable word that everyone in this forum is afraid of saying, except Wylted of course. You know, this word that starts with "NI" and ends with "ER", or "A", depending on what accent you prefer to say it.
Sounds like you've gone down a toxic rabbit hole. You can refresh your recommendations by asking YouTube not to send you content of that type.

I think nothing justifies violence.
Nothing is a strong word. There are situations where, assuming no one resorts to violence, one person's ability to hurt you is vastly greater than yours to retaliate is. Violence is the last piece of leverage a human being has in these situations. It also has a self-destructive effect and rightly so, but the fact that it's theoretically an option lessens the degree to which the advantaged oppress the disadvantaged. In a sense, it is the great equalizer.
But I would agree that the disparity between how hurtful the n-word is to a black man and "honky" or "cracker" is to a white man isn't enough to justify curbstomping someone. If anything, the black man is more powerful in these situations because he can proceed to call the white man a racist. The n-word isn't a word that, when directed at a black man, turns society at large against him, but the r-word directed at a white man does have this effect.
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I dont think violence over words is justified. Otherwise, any time someone feels upset enough over someone's words, a beating would follow which would have to be considered justified then. If there are no legal consequences for those words, then beating someone over it is likely illegal, and even if there are legal consequences for those words, beating someone over them would still probably be illegal and being vigilante isnt exactly a good defense in court.
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Vigilante is when person takes law into own hands and acts to punish criminals, and the main reason why being vigilante is illegal in most cases is because someone who is vigilante doesnt give anyone fair trial or legally approved punishment, and even often makes it more difficult to legally punish criminals. Vigilante is basically society of anarchy. So even if it is illegal in some countries to say n word, those beatings couldnt be legally justified, and I kinda doubt it is illegal in USA to say n word.
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It's all a hormone problem BK, relative to ongoing sexual suppression in societies where variable and contradictory moral concepts have developed.

If the societal norm was the open and non-stigmatised  availability of on-demand orgasm facilities, there would be little need for the aggressive release of sexual tension.
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It's all a hormone problem BK, relative to ongoing sexual suppression in societies where variable and contradictory moral concepts have developed.
f the societal norm was the open and non-stigmatised  availability of on-demand orgasm facilities, there would be little need for the aggressive release of sexual tension.

Zed, is on the money again. Hit nail on the head. Right on brother. Males especially need this release, in righteous dignified accepted practice manner to lower lessen chances of those who most likely to explode on society.

So much of humanity is uptight, and needs to loosen the strings a little.  This is why people have these holidays to dress in costume expel the demons of uptight-ness from their-selves in a safe fun way along with others who also in an acceptable public, safe party festival.

Why some have this genetic and societal breaking of social norms, to do awful stuff has varied reasons. 
I enjoyed the series on Netflix, the Mind Hunters, talking about couple of FBI men who wanted to talk to these murders, mass-killer, rapists, to understand how their mind work.  Pyschological. Early documentary series style of Hannibal the canniable genre.

First year or so they got lot of flak, until a superior saw  value in their work and go them more funding

The show never came to  a conclusion after a season or two. Abruptly ended.

There is doc on  Jefferry Dalhmer. I knew the story as it happened on news, and various stuff written later, like him say..' my behaviour had nothing to do with may parents upbringing of me '... and tho the Netflix movie is there, I cant bring myself to watch it.   Fear it is too sickining.

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We're not dealing with rational actors here which is your core assumption. Let’s cut the crap. Most of these  meltdowns aren’t because of some real offense that was taken. It's manufactured moral outrage used to justify behavior that people already wanted to unleash, whether its for cultural reasons or because of a smaller prefrontal cortex. It’s an excuse to throw hands because these are the equivalent of mental children. Half of these assholes wouldn’t defend their own mothers with that kind of passion, but say "Nigger" and its go time

If this was really about historical trauma, you'd see the same pattern across other groups. You can say absolutely vile shit to an Armenian, a Jew, a Cambodian — people whose families were actually genocided and most of them won’t start swinging. They’ll call you a piece of shit,  shame you publicly, cancel your sneaker deal and pull your video off of youtube but they don’t lose control. Why? Because their identity isn’t wrapped up in childish over reaction. They don’t glorify emotional breakdowns as power.

And here's the cultural elephant nobody wants to name: there’s a hillbilly honor culture running through parts of the Black community — same thing that used to run wild in poor white communities. Quick to fight, quick to escalate, obsessed with “respect.” It wrecked white communities too until social pressure and self-policing forced it into check. But now it’s celebrated in black communities and mistaken for black culture and promoted within left leaning white communities. It's even monetized. I blame Tupac personally for a lot of this glorification of hillbilly culture. You see it in music, media, and yeah, YouTube beatdown compilations. It’s not necessarily a race thing given its origin in white society. It’s a cultural pathology, and it gets rewarded because of internalized white liberal racism that infantalizes black people.

You're not wrong that violence over words is stupid. But if you think all these beatdowns are sincere emotional reactions instead of cosplay rage masked as righteous fury, you're watching the surface, not what is going on beneath the surface. 

Also if this stuff keeps showing up in your feed, maybe rethink what you're clicking on. YouTube pushes what you feed it. Try watching content that doesn’t rot your brain or train you to confuse low-IQ violence with moral justice. also important to remember is the systematic things we can do to rid the community of hillbilly culture which is things we saw with white culture. punish hillbilly culture and shame it, start rewarding those who deviate from it etc. Also maybe encourage habits that strengthen the small prefrontal cortex so their behaviors can be more in line with what is needed to live in an advanced society. 
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And here's the cultural elephant nobody wants to name: there’s a hillbilly honor culture running through parts of the Black community — same thing that used to run wild in poor white communities. Quick to fight, quick to escalate, obsessed with “respect.”
Respect is a currency in poor communities because the higher position belongs to someone who is ready to use violence, and violence is common there. Poor people are generally more violent in response because if they allowed disrespect, they would become targets themselves. I doubt rich black people react same as poor black people. Thats because rich people can allow some disrespect without becoming targets of any further violence, and can solve it in different way. But in poor communities where violence is common, allowing disrespect would signal to others that you are easy target and would increase chances of attacks on you greatly, and people wouldnt follow your lead anymore and you would lose friends and allies. Now, rich person cannot allow disrespect either, but he doesnt need violence because while in poor communities, being violent is sign of strength, in rich communities, it is a sign of unstable person.
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there are more poor white people than blacks in the united states and you really don't see the subhuman animalistic tendencies as often in those communities
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there are more poor white people than blacks in the united states and you really don't see the subhuman animalistic tendencies as often in those communities
In poor white communities, you do. It depends on level of poverty, but there are white people who will beat someone up over a joke. Now, it also depends on if person has a job or uses crime(drug dealing, theft) as source of income. Person who has a job would risk losing it if engaging in violence, while person who uses crime as source of income would risk being attacked if not engaging in violence towards disrespectful people.
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more violence in poor black communities than in white ones

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As I said, there are levels of poverty. Its not same having 1$ a day and having 1000$ a month. While both might count as poverty, communities with more wealth generally have more to invest in educating kids. Black community is much poorer than white community, and likewise, average poor black community would be poorer than average poor white community. And poverty was always related to crime, because they are in mutually casual relationship. Crime harms economy, so community becomes poorer, while poverty harms education and opportunities and causes worse childhood, these generally contributing to crime.
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you can adjust for income level which has been done many times and race is still a better predictor of crime level than how much is made. 
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You all know that God is in God Prison for making different colored people, don't you?
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you can adjust for income level which has been done many times and race is still a better predictor of crime level than how much is made.
I dont think thats true. Race happens to be a very good predictor of how much income is made. Black families generally have 10 cents for every 1 dollar white family has. Black communities tend to have worse less invested in schools, and less job opportunities, and due to that, more fatherless homes as a result. Now, there are no two equal cases for you to even compare, as no two communities have equal wealth and size, so we can say that you have no case as your whole case depends on equal comparison which cannot ever be done, but crime and poverty are in proven casual relationship, and historical poverty of black people, slavery, and many other types of mistreatment cause more crime too. Literally go to any poor asian country and you will get exposed to as much crime as in poor black community, but rich asian country such as Japan is safer than any other country in the world, and generally, you are about 20 times more likely to be murdered by white person in USA than to be murdered in Japan, as Japan has lowest murder rates in world. Japan also has high investing in education and people generally have guidance and wealth.
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In truth, solving this question does not require any sophisticated data analysis. It can confidently be answered in the negative with a simple observation: above 50% of homicides in the United States are perpetrated by black people.1 If poverty were to account for the homicide disparities, at least 50% of Americans in poverty would need to be black. In reality, just ~20% of people in poverty are black (Shrider & Creamer, 2023). QED.

That settles the question. It follows immediately that non-black people must have lower rates of homicide offending, even once poverty is accounted for. This is because, in raw numbers, there are more non-black poor people than poor black people (80% vs 20%), but there are more black homicide offenders than non-black homicide offenders (>50% vs <50%). So even hypothetically if all homicides were committed by people in poverty, a smaller group of poor people would be responsible for a greater number of murders — i.e., the homicide rate is higher. The observation here is that, while black people are overrepresented among the poor, they are not sufficiently overrepresented such that it could account for the homicide overrepresentation relative to non-black people. Poverty alone cannot explain the disparity.


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You all know that God is in God Prison for making different colored people, don't you?
variety is the spice of life. 
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In truth, solving this question does not require any sophisticated data analysis. It can confidently be answered in the negative with a simple observation: above 50% of homicides in the United States are perpetrated by black people.1 If poverty were to account for the homicide disparities, at least 50% of Americans in poverty would need to be black.
So your logic is:
If poverty predicts crime, then:
50% of Americans in poverty are black = 50% of homicides would be done by black people.

But this again, ignores the levels of poverty, opportunities, community wealth, and historical poverty.

You also ignore that poverty isnt the only cause for homicides. Rich person can kill someone too.

But if, lets say, high poverty just tripled the chances of commiting homicide, then much higher poverty rate would still account for and cover the difference which you talk about.

Black people, according to you, commit 3x to 4x more homicides than white people. But they also have more than 4x higher poverty levels, generally black families are more than 4x times poorer than white families on average, and black communities are also more than 4x poorer on average, with much less investment in education.

So again, your claim of about 4x more crime, even if true, wouldnt be explained by race, but by poverty mostly.
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Also, here I worked under assumption that your claim is true.

But when I asked AI:

"According to the FBI’s 2023 Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) data, Black offenders accounted for approximately 38% of homicide offenders in cases where the race was known, while White offenders accounted for about 52%. This is based on 6,405 Black offenders and 8,842 White offenders out of 16,860 total homicide offenders. These figures do not support the claim that 50% of homicides in the U.S. are committed by Black people. Earlier data, like the FBI’s 2019 report, shows Black Americans accounted for 55.9% of homicide offenders where race was known, but including cases where race was unknown, the figure drops to 39.6%. [](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States)

The data suggests the percentage fluctuates year to year but generally falls below or around 40% when accounting for all cases, including those with unknown offender race. Always be cautious with such stats, as they can be skewed by incomplete reporting or misinterpretation. For example, the UCR data relies on law enforcement reports, which may not capture all incidents, and not all agencies report race consistently. If you want to dig deeper, I can look into more recent or specific data sources.[](https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/)"
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So your logic is:
If poverty predicts crime, then:
50% of Americans in poverty are black = 50% of homicides would be done by black people.
20 % of people in poverty are black and this is about violent crime not homicides. They are over represented in the data 

black families are more than 4x times poorer than white families on average, 
Untrue and wealthy black people by percentage of the total black population are also more likely to commit violent crimes than white people  who also make 6 figures or more on average. 

Lets also remember that statistics also incorrectly report many Hispanics as white to make the crime rates appear closer to even
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Again, if your theory was true and race predicted crime, then Japan would have as much crime as, lets say, Cambodia. But generally, you see some asian countries being safest in the world while some being most dangerous in the world.

And you could have simply asked AI about poverty levels.

"Black families in the US have significantly less wealth compared to White families. In 2021, the median wealth for Black households was $27,100, while for White households it was $250,400, indicating a substantial disparity according to Pew Research Center. This wealth gap, which has widened from 2019 to 2021, highlights the persistent economic inequality faced by Black families. 

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
  • Median Wealth:
    In 2021, the median wealth for White households was nearly ten times that of Black households. 

  • Widening Gap:
    The wealth gap between White and Black households increased from 2019 to 2021, with White households holding $223,300 more in wealth than Black households in 2021. 

  • Historical Context:
    The racial wealth gap is rooted in historical and systemic factors, including discriminatory practices like redlining and limited access to education and employment opportunities. 

  • Impact on Poverty:
    Black families are more likely to experience poverty and are more likely to be stuck in poverty across generations. 

  • Consequences:
    The lack of wealth accumulation limits access to resources, opportunities, and intergenerational wealth transfer, perpetuating the cycle of poverty."

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wealthy black people by percentage of the total black population are also more likely to commit violent crimes than white people  who also make 6 figures or more on average
Again, what is the data comparison for this? Are wealthy black people just as violent as, lets say, poor black people?

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Wealthy black people have lower crime than poor blacks but higher than wealthy whites
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Again, if your theory was true and race predicted crime, then Japan would have as much crime as, lets say, Cambodia. But generally, you see some asian countries being safest in the world while some being most dangerous in the world.
I wouldn't say race is the only predictor. Nor would I say cambodians and Japanese are the same race. . extreme poverty probablly ties your hands a bit and some of the black crime disparity can be explained by the effects of concentrated poverty but it doesn't entirely explain the discrepancy which is where hillbilly culture and genetics come into play
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I guess it's the same with the N-word, whatever the historical load it has, it's stupid to get mad at it.
It isn't about historical load. Black people in America live everyday with reminders of how inferior they are viewed by all of society in ways most white people couldn't even be bothered to think about.

Have you ever sat around with your friends musing about what you would do if you had a time machine? What would you witness? The declaration of independence, signing of the constitution, the Salem witch trials? Ever ask a black person that question? No, because in almost any historical example you'd give they would be hung of anyone even saw them. Not exactly a fun hypothetical when their existence in these scenarios was considered less than human.

Ever decide to go on ancestry.com and check you're family lineage? Not if your black, their ancestors weren't listed as people, they were listed at property so they didn't even bother to track where were sold off to do they have no way to trace back their family tree.

What about your last name, curious to know where it came from? Not of your black. Al Sharpton's last name was the name of his slave plantation owner, that's the story of many many black Americans. Their last names are not a legacy, they're a reminder.

And then there's the psychological. Years ago an experiment was performed where they showed dolls to a bunch of children and asked them which one was the good guy and which was the bad guy. They almost unanimously chose the white doll to be the good guy and the black doll to be the bad. Even the black kids did the same. That's the result of the system teaching over generations, often unconsciously, that black people are lesser.

So no, this isn't about history, it's about what black people are reminded of every single day. You should try it, then let us know if you think it's stupid to get mad at someone twisting that knife in your back just because they can.
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Well, I think your post responds to my questions.

I have a doubt, though. The word "negro" is also as bad as the N-word? I barely hear it. Also, what is the difference between "nigger" and "nigga"? Do they have the same negative load?

I ask you that because you seem to be the only one here who has the balls to talk about it.
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Wealthy black people have lower crime than poor blacks but higher than wealthy whites
And wealthy whites happen to be wealthier than wealthy blacks, and live in wealthier community.

Historically, there were cases of black kids being given death penalty for crimes they didnt even commit, only to have it decades later being proved they were innocent and the system was biased.

The wealthier person is, the more likely he is to get away with crime. And likewise, the poorer person is, the more likely he is to be falsely convicted. Generally, it is easier to convict falsely a person who has less money for good lawyers. And harder it is to convict a guilty person if he is rich, because good lawyers either delay case, either rich bribes victims and witnesses, or lawyers find some weak spot in case.

And then, of course, there is racism, where members of specific race get targeted much more by justice system, are more likely to get reported for same crime, and are more likely to get convicted.

White people tend to have friends in position of power to rely on too.
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Nor would I say cambodians and Japanese are the same race
Japanese also had high crime rates when there was more poverty and lack of education in Japan.
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Well, I think it's still stupid to react according to what happened in the past.

It's like Mexicans who still complain about what Spaniards did many centuries ago. In fact, the Mexican president requested the Spanish king to apologize for what they did, that happened some years ago. That sounds stupid because the Spaniards of today have nothing to do with what their ancestors did in the past.

Either the American education system is streghening the hate of blacks against whites, or it's like Wylted says, that it's something cultural, the hillbilly culture.
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Well, I think it's still stupid to react according to what happened in the past
It is not stupid, it is the basic law of behavior, past generally determines the future. Black people who were made much poorer and much less educated by system in the past had less wealth and education to pass on to the next generations. So when your starting point is significantly worse, your progress becomes worse too compared to those who had better starting point. Its the main strategy used by people in power to make some countries and groups more violent, by harming their starting point greatly.