Let's talk about the N-word

Author: IlDiavolo
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I just explained to you why this is not about what happened in the past. Did you read a word I wrote? Cause judging by your response it doesn't appear so.
You talked about legacy which is inexorably connected to history.
I talked about how that history effects them today. This post I am responding to was written in the past, so technically that's history too.

You mentioned black people are viewed as inferiors, but this is just a perception based on what they know about their history spread in movies, music and documentaries.
It's basic human nature, coupled with the reality of living in a multiracial society.

We don't judge people we don't know based on their insides, we have no access to that. So what we base everything on initially, which tends to dictate what we will absorb about them, is their appearence. Pretty privilege is a real thing and studies have proven that over and over again.

Black people are inherently considered less desirable in every way by the majority of society, even within the black community. In black families children often come out with different skin tones, and it is well known that even in their own families, darker skin children get treated worse than lighter skin children. It's biological programming, and it's not limited to any group of humans.

Even in the sex industry, it is well known that black women cannot charge as much as white women. They are not considered desirable.

In many workplaces, there are appearence and hygene and standards ensuring their employees are properly groomed. This in many cases, prohibits black people from wearing their hair the way it grows out of their heads.  Only recently have laws in many states been passed outlawing these practices.

This isn't about the movies. Our history and the historical mistreatment of black people didn't come about by accident, it's baked into human nature.

It's the legacy they recognized, but it's hard to believe that society sees black people as inferior, that's stupid since several blacks have shown that they can achieve what white people could.
Anecdotes are irrelevant. I can show you a story of a guy who jumped out of a plane and lived, doesn't mean we no longer need parachutes.
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Don't be a restart and worry about what my auto correct does.
Your autocorrect has great comedic timing.
What? But you said generalizations were bad when looking at data about what happens on average. Now it's okay to target resources correctly and do breast cancer screenings on women over 40?
You're missing the point. We don't generalize all women's care when it comes to breast cancer, so we certainly don't need to generalize all or most black people as being violent especially when those who commit violent crimes make up 3.4% of the black population. 
Yes I said to generalize high crime areas not black areas. But this still proves my point that generalizations are good so we can move resources to the correct areas. 
No problem with higher police presence in higher crime areas, but the point is that not all black areas are high-crime, and many black areas have been found to be more heavily policed than other areas with similar crime rates. So, that's an example of when generalizing is not productive. 
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You have one more day to talk about the N-word. Then I am banning you 
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You're missing the point. We don't generalize all women's care when it comes to breast cancer, so we certainly don't need to generalize all or most black people as being violent especially when those who commit violent crimes make up 3.4% of the black population. 
Nobody said all black people so WTF are you talking about? 
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Nor are we generalizing most nigga.
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Nobody said all black people so WTF are you talking about? 
This is whole thread is about black people who have a violent response to being called the "n-word", but presents it as if someone reacting violently to a word is somehow unique to or significantly more prevalent among black people. You yourself compared black people to other marginalized groups, you generalize black people as having a violent reaction to the n-word and other marginalized people as having non-violent reactions to slurs/discrimination: "They’ll call you a piece of sh*t,  shame you publicly, cancel your sneaker deal and pull your video off of youtube but they don’t lose control. Why? Because their identity isn’t wrapped up in childish over reaction. They don’t glorify emotional breakdowns as power."

You claim that black people's identities are "wrapped up in childish overreaction", but other groups are not. This is a gross generalization, and no, "per capita" doesn't save you here. Racism against black people persists in America, and the overwhelming majority of black people are not violent. You are white knuckling onto 3.4% of a population to hold on to some preconceived narrative you have in your head. 

You compare black people to groups that have experienced genocide, and act like those groups did not have subsets that also reacted violently.
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This is whole thread is about black people who have a violent response to being called the "n-word", but presents it as if someone reacting violently to a word is somehow unique to or significantly more prevalent among black people
If this was relevant to 2% of black people and only 1% of every other group. You do realize it would be more black people per capita with this problem right?
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There isn't a single word that hasn't already been said about the N word and racism. But we need to talk about it some more to understand.
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@Double_R
So, you're basically saying that this perception is natural. It's on the DNA of everyone of us to be disgusted by the dark skin. We've been born to be racists, there is nothing to do about that. Right?

Ok, I see you're more fked up than I thought.

Didn't it happen to you that this doll test just reveals how internalized this prejudice is on us? To me it's pretty evident, children just copy adult's behaviour. They refuse the black doll because it's a perception they grasp from their surroundings.

I can't blame people for doing that, though. I had several bad experiences with black people too, but that should't be a reason to hate them. Maybe I'm being too tough with them when I say they shouldn't react stupidly but I see things are very fked up in the US. I don't see that in Brazil which has similar background.
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There isn't a single word that hasn't already been said about the N word and racism. But we need to talk about it some more to understand.
What do you think about what the baldhead said, then? Do you think this is something natural?

Something wrong is going on in the US.
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If this was relevant to 2% of black people and only 1% of every other group. You do realize it would be more black people per capita with this problem right?
It would be accurate to say: a small minority of black people commit violent crime at higher rates than white people. The percentages are not significant enough to try to paint the majority of black people in a particular light.

But your original post attempts to generalize the black demographic when you attempt to contrast them with Armenians, Jewish people, and Cambodians: "You can say absolutely vile shit to an Armenian, a Jew, a Cambodian — people whose families were actually genocided and most of them won’t start swinging."

Neither do most black people.

"They’ll call you a piece of shit,  shame you publicly, cancel your sneaker deal and pull your video off of youtube but they don’t lose control. Why? Because their identity isn’t wrapped up in childish over reaction. They don’t glorify emotional breakdowns as power."

You insinuate that black people's identity is wrapped up in "childish overreactions." But there have absolutely been subsets of those groups who have reacted violently toward verbal antagonism. But in both cases you're talking about minorities. Armenian terrorist groups began popping up in the 70s/80s in response to Turkey's denial of the 1915 Armenian genocide, and they killed many civilians. This year, a large group of Hasidic Jewish men chased a woman down the street in New York yelling at her and pelting her with objects because they mistook her for a pro-Palestine protester. Numerous white people have committed road-rage induced murder. There are bad eggs in every group, but they don't represent the entire group or even a significant portion of the group. 


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Ok, I see you're more fked up than I thought.
*Yawn*. Can't refute anything I've said so you turn to personal attacks. How surprising.

So, you're basically saying that this perception is natural.
To some extent, yes it is. Why do you find this surprising? Do you not think we are wired to find certain traits of individuals desirable? Do you know what the golden ratio is? Do you not find it odd that this ratio is so reliably predictive? If beauty wasn't largely natural why would this be the case?

If you refuse to acknowledge the natural you fail to understand how we got here in the first place. Again, our history wasn't an accident. 

We've been born to be racists, there is nothing to do about that. Right?
I didn't say that genius. In fact this is the entire point of talking about racism - to recognize personal biases buried deep within us and bring to the forefront of our conciseness how they manifest, thereby enabeling us to deal with them. Recognizing these natural intuitions shared by most people also helps us to understand what black people have to deal with every single day giving us a better understanding of what they're talking about when they use terms like micro aggressions. They don't get to pretend these factors aren't real like you do, they're living them.

To me it's pretty evident, children just copy adult's behaviour. They refuse the black doll because it's a perception they grasp from their surroundings.
What about a black child growing up in a black family teaches them that the black doll is the bad one?
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It would be accurate to say: a small minority of black people commit violent crime at higher rates than white people. The percentages are not significant enough to try to paint the majority of black people in a particular light.

Minority and small are literally the same way. It's not concise. It literally means the exact same thing to say


You are more likely to me physically attacked by a nigger who hears the word nigger than a gook who hears the word gook, due to their violent nature. 


It literally means the same exact thing as you said. Now you can say you feel the above statements implies all black people or most but you would be a retard for thinking it implies that
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You are more likely to me physically attacked by a n****r who hears the word n****r than a g**k who hears the word g**k, due to their violent nature. 
You are more likely to get killed by a falling airplane than a falling asteroid. That’s doesn’t mean either scenario is likely. 

There is no “violent nature” if the overwhelming majority are not violent. 
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So instead of nature say more of a genetic predisposition?!


And genetic predispositions come from where? 

Nature right?
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*Yawn*. Can't refute anything I've said so you turn to personal attacks. How surprising.
This is not an insult, it's what I think of you. I think you got your baldhead filled with prejudices which is not good for anyone.

If you refuse to acknowledge the natural you fail to understand how we got here in the first place. Again, our history wasn't an accident. 
Here you are totally wrong. Beauty is very subjective so I don't know where you got that. If you look what our ancestors used to like you'd be surprised.

Children are raised learning to despise the black so this is just the outcome. It's different if you say people are afraid of what is different to them, I can agree with that.

I didn't say that genius. In fact this is the entire point of talking about racism - to recognize personal biases buried deep within us and bring to the forefront of our conciseness how they manifest, thereby enabeling us to deal with them. Recognizing these natural intuitions shared by most people also helps us to understand what black people have to deal with every single day giving us a better understanding of what they're talking about when they use terms like micro aggressions. They don't get to pretend these factors aren't real like you do, they're living them.
Again, it's not natural, it's nurtured. When you say it's natural you're implying that we can't change it which is totally wrong. That's why I brought up the context of Brazil which is much more tolerable with black people. You won't see in Brazil people identifying as black or white, for all practical purposes each person in this country is just a Brazilian. There are no negros, no whites, only people identifying as brazilians.
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Many experts believe racist beliefs were developed to justify self-interest and greed. For almost 400 years, European investors enslaved people through the Transatlantic slave trade to support the massive tobacco, sugar, and cotton industries in the Americas. Slavery was cheaper than indentured servitude, so slavery was a business decision, not a reflection of hatred or bigotry.
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So instead of nature say more of a genetic predisposition?!


And genetic predispositions come from where? 

Nature right?
There isn’t a “genetic predisposition.” There are socioeconomic, environmental, and societal factors.
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Baldhead?
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There isn’t a “genetic predisposition.” There are socioeconomic, environmental, and societal factors. 
Certainly those factors play a role but you can be genitically predisposed to violence which is more likely to happen to nigs because of a little thing I call evolutionary advantages brought on by environment over hundreds of thousands of years
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Many experts believe racist beliefs were developed to justify self-interest and greed. 
They are wrong. Slavery developed for economic advantage and did not require racist views to implement 

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Baldhead?
I call Double_R "baldhead" because of his profile picture.

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If they are from Africa they should be called Africans.