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Hey, it's your implication buddy
In average neighborhood of 50 people, there are at least 3 potential rapists, but Allah is not one of them. Allah is not rapist. Anyone who says so is islamophobic, gay and deplorable.
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Well, you can see why he is a Christian!
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The next evolution of Hispanics is to be Black. I always suspected this to be the case. 
And if Black is Stage 1 Pokémon then Stage 2 is to be a Jew 
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Probably not a full grown man. Likely to be less than 5ft 9in tall which is the cut off for being a man
So if Allah raped him Allah would be a pedophile 
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@Allah
^^^
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In average neighborhood of 50 people, there are at least 3 potential rapists, but Allah is not one of them. Allah is not rapist. Anyone who says so is islamophobic, gay and deplorable.
P1: Anyone with a snaked tongue is a lesbian. 

P2: You have a snaked tongue 

C: You are lesbian 👅
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Bit silly if this site is just going in the bin. There was a lot went into this.
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So if Allah raped him Allah would be a pedophile 
Well he is an admitted pedophile is we are talking of the user
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So if Allah raped him Allah would be a pedophile
That is incorrect.

To defeat the claim that "Allah is a pedophile", you can employ several debate tactics from the sources, primarily by focusing on definitions, exposing hidden assumptions, and challenging the logical structure of the claim.

Here are strategies drawing on the sources, with clarification when external information is used:

1. Define Key Terms 

A foundational strategy in debate is to define each word in the topic. Debating without clear definitions is likened to playing chess without knowing the rules, and failing to define key terms can lead to an "auto loss".

Define "Allah": You should ask for, or present, a comprehensive definition of "Allah". External Information: In mainstream Islamic theology, Allah (God) is defined as the one, unique, and absolute Creator and Sustainer of the universe. Allah is understood to be transcendent, beyond human comprehension, and entirely free from human attributes, desires, or flaws. Concepts like a physical body, gender, or sexual desires are considered inapplicable to Allah. This understanding establishes Allah as a being of perfection, justice, and purity. By this theological definition, the notion of Allah having attributes or actions associated with human imperfections, such as "pedophilia", is inherently contradictory. Define "Pedophile": You must also ensure the term "pedophile" is clearly defined. External Information: A pedophile is typically defined as an adult who has a sexual attraction to or engages in sexual acts with children. This definition implies human or anthropomorphic characteristics, including sexual desire and the capacity for physical acts, which, by theological definition, are not attributed to Allah. Negate by Definition: Once definitions are established, you can argue that the claim "Allah is a pedophile" is false by definition (anti-tautology). If the agreed definition of "Allah" precludes human attributes and sexual desire, and the definition of "pedophile" requires these, then the two terms are logically incompatible. This makes the topic a tautology, meaning it is true by necessity or logical form, or false by necessity. 2. Expose Hidden Assumptions and Premises 

The claim likely rests on unstated premises or assumptions that must be true for the conclusion to follow. Your strategy would be to expose these assumptions.

Identify the Base Claim and Link Claim: Any argument is usually made from two claims and a conclusion: a base claim and a claim that links the base claim to the conclusion. External Information and Hidden Premises: The accusation "Allah is a pedophile" often arises from criticisms related to the marriage of Prophet Muhammad to Aisha. The hidden premise is often that "Allah's character is directly and exclusively defined by the actions of His Prophet, interpreted through contemporary moral standards." You would challenge this link claim. Even if one wishes to critique historical events concerning a prophet (a separate discussion), this does not automatically mean that the theological definition of Allah changes, or that Allah is a "pedophile". The opponent would need to prove this linking claim is true. Challenge Hidden Assumptions: Ask for proof of claims that must be true for the argument to hold. For example: The assumption that Allah possesses a body, gender, or human sexual desires. The assumption that specific interpretations of religious texts or historical events are the sole or correct understanding of Allah's nature. The assumption that applying modern social standards (e.g., regarding age of consent) anachronistically to historical figures and then transferring that judgment to a divine being is logically valid. These are often unprovable or undisprovable claims which must be proved or disproved for the premise to be true. You can argue that the claim "depends on no assumption" while the "opposite argument is impossible and depends on assumption". 3. Negate by Contradiction and Logical Impossibility 

A powerful counter-argument is to show that the opponent's premise or conclusion leads to a contradiction.

Expose Inconsistency: If the opponent's definition of "Allah" (or implied definition) contradicts the widely accepted theological definition, or if their definition of "pedophile" requires attributes that Allah, by definition, does not possess, then you can show logical inconsistency. Proposition is Impossible: Argue that the proposition "Allah is a pedophile" is impossible because "it leads to a contradiction with established facts" (i.e., established theological definitions of Allah). True Argument Form: A "true argument" is one where all opposite premises are impossible. By proving the theological definition of Allah, you can make it logically impossible for Him to be a "pedophile." 4. Require Proof and Verify Claims 

Demand that the opponent provide evidence for their statements.

Ask for Proof for Every Premise: Challenge the opponent to "prove all premises". This forces them to articulate the specific claims and the logical links they are relying on. Google/AI Verification: If the opponent makes any factual claims (e.g., regarding specific verses or historical events), you can use tools like Google or AI to check their correctness. 5. Strategic Communication and Argument Construction Socrates Argument: You can avoid stating your own position explicitly and just attack the opponent's. This makes you "less vulnerable". Least Extreme Opposite Position: While "Allah is not a pedophile" is a direct negation, the principle of taking the "least extreme opposite position" can be applied if there are nuances to the opponent's argument. For example, you might argue that the opponent's specific interpretation is flawed, rather than conceding that their entire premise has any validity. Generally, "less extreme positions are easiest to defend". "Greatest School of Thought": This approach involves producing the greatest number of different variations of counter-arguments and then selecting the best ones. This means brainstorming all possible ways to attack the opponent's definitions, assumptions, and logical links, and then choosing the most effective ones. Focus on Your Arguments First: Prioritise presenting your arguments (e.g., about Allah's nature and the inapplicability of human flaws) rather than primarily attacking the opponent's, though a balanced approach is often ideal . Use Facts, Not Goalposts: Aim to present "undisprovable facts" instead of "goalposts which need to be proved". For instance, the theological definition of Allah in Islam can be presented as a fact within that religious framework. 

By systematically applying these strategies, you can highlight the logical and definitional flaws in the claim, making it difficult for the opponent to sustain their argument.


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I got no flame. Might roll through DebateCraft eventually if you guys don't change the name on me (you should, it's terrible). 

It's been real. Peace out homies. 
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Someone give me one quick last entry into HoF for longest dong. 
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Well he is an admitted pedophile is we are talking of the user
I am also satanist, christian, pray rosary, do fire magic, have chicken farm along with gold buisness and tree farm, have 100 disorders, virgin, praising kim jong un... at some point, you guys should probably stop believing everything I say.
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I believe everything you say, and I hope Hades doesn't go easy on you. 

You will never reach Elysium 
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“Your Text is 97.56% AI generated”
all but the last sentance
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I believe everything you say, and I hope Hades doesn't go easy on you.
Not sure why you use Greek mythology specifically, given all the homosexuality and rape in ancient Greece by Gods themselves (Zeus was mass rapist, Cupid was gay).
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While known for his numerous affairs with women, Zeus also had a well-known relationship with the Trojan prince Ganymede, who became his cupbearer on Mount Olympus. 

Apollo:

Apollo, the god of the sun and music, is often seen as a patron of same-sex love, with Hyacinthus being his most famous male lover. He was also invoked to bless homosexual unions according to Wikipedia. 

Hercules:

The hero Hercules, known for his strength, was also known for his male lovers. His relationship with Iolaus, his nephew, is particularly prominent. 

Achilles and Patroclus:

The legendary warrior Achilles and his companion Patroclus are often depicted as lovers in Greek mythology, with their relationship being one of the most famous examples of male love. 

Hermes:

The messenger god Hermes is also associated with same-sex relationships, and his son, Hermaphroditus, with the nymph Salmacis, symbolizes the merging of male and female forms. 

Dionysus:

The god of wine and revelry, Dionysus, is sometimes portrayed with male lovers and is also associated with themes of bisexuality and transcendence of sexuality. 

Aphrodite:

While Aphrodite is primarily known as the goddess of love and beauty, her association with the Erotes (like Eros, Himeros, and Pothos) also connects her to homoerotic themes. 


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I believe everything you say, and I hope Hades doesn't go easy on you.
Hades kidnapped Goddess Persephone (Kora) and took her to underworld where he raped her. I dont think he is the best judge of character.

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@Allah
You are quite talented
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Nigga shut yo bitch ass up I can hear the fried chicken stuck to your teeth in your voice
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You are quite talented
You know that I hate compliments. Either bully me either go away.
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My alt accounts are badger, Barney, and -- I'm not proud of this -- Lashwnda.

This site is such a fucking sausage fest cuz you're all gay. Gay, gay, gay. I love gay men and that's why I stick around. You're my little DART queens and I love you.

whiteflame is an Aryan code name, WAKE UP EVERYONE.

8 days later

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My alt accounts are badger, Barney, and -- I'm not proud of this -- Lashwnda.

This site is such a fucking sausage fest cuz you're all gay. Gay, gay, gay. I love gay men and that's why I stick around. You're my little DART queens and I love you.

whiteflame is an Aryan code name, WAKE UP EVERYONE.
Do u regret saying this now that everyone can see it? 

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My alt accounts are badger, Barney, and -- I'm not proud of this -- Lashwnda.

This site is such a fucking sausage fest cuz you're all gay. Gay, gay, gay. I love gay men and that's why I stick around. You're my little DART queens and I love you.

whiteflame is an Aryan code name, WAKE UP EVERYONE.
Do u regret saying this now that everyone can see it? 
Yeth I do