Sin: The Path to Excellence.

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"Sin: The Path to Excellence"

Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it?I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of strivingfor excellence.

At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickednessbut about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditionsacknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felixculpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’splan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this ideais clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.

To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks andinevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and tryingagain—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’repushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our bestpossible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at everypoint in our lives. 

Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competitionhighlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and wherewe want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging usto improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feellike failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, everyloss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.

This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embraceof imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we wouldhave no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, noinnovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.

I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancientscribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is notsomething to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is theevidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.

So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinnerin the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better versionof yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
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The Consequences of Sin
 Sin leads to death and destruction, causing physical issues, emotional emptiness, and spiritual death, breaking the relationship with God.


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@Shila
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You mean completing our duty to Yahweh to sin. 

You forget your Exsultet hymn that names Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to God's plan. 

Are you saying you would refrain from sin and screw up God's plan?

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I wassinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Do your duty, sin, and reap the rewards of death.
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On breaking our relationship from God.

Yahweh condemned us to death for our sins as our just rewards.

If we accept or allow Jesus to be our savior and reverse that just reward, are we doing an injustice? 
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Jesus saved us from our sins and death.
At the cross, God poured out His judgment on His Son, satisfying His wrath and making it possible for Him to forgive us. That's why Jesus shed His blood for your sins, my sins, and the sins of the whole world.
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This site is going down soon. Plz join debatecraft.com.
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When you wish to discuss your immoral messianic concepts, I am here for you.
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I can't join for some reason.
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The phrase "I was sent to bring salvation" is a central theme in the teachings of Jesus, directly referencing his mission to save humanity from sin and offer reconciliation with God.
 
This mission is described in the Bible as being sent by God the Father, with salvation being an act of delivering people from a state of being lost or sinful, culminating in eternal life for those who believe.
 




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Can a genocidal prick be seen as a savior?

Can Hitler or Stalin be called saviors?
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What error are you getting? I'll try to fix it.
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I worked it out. I am now in.  Thanks.
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Both are seen as genocidal criminals. The worst the world has seen.
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Yet you adore a genocidal prick of a God.

Explain please.
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Gnostic Christianity is considered a distortion by traditional Christianity because its teachings fundamentally contradict core beliefs about God, Christ, and salvation. 
Key distortions include the belief that the physical world is evil and created by an inferior god, Jesus was a spiritual being (not fully human), and salvation comes through secret knowledge ("gnosis") rather than faith and repentance.
 
This view rejects the necessity of Christ's physical incarnation, his death, and his resurrection, which are central to Orthodox Christianity.
 




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IOW, we place morals above God.

This is why we reject your genocidal hero and his inquisition using ways.

I guess you do not care about your moral soul.
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But I am bad at sinning.
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“whoever believes in me shall have eternal life and be free from sin," is a reference to John 3:16from the Christian Bible, which states, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
 
This verse is considered by many Christians to be a summary of the central message of the Bible, explaining that salvation is achieved through faith in Jesus Christ.
 


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Sure, and if we go by the standard for faith set by the bible, there are no believers.

The bible is clear that anyone who has even the smallest bit of faith can do, all Jesus did and more. 

Note that there are none with faith or those that claim it are liars.

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Work harder at it then.
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Gnostics are described as self-deceived 
because of their belief that spiritual knowledge, or "gnosis," alone is sufficient for salvation, which led them to deny the reality of sin and the importance of a virtuous life. Early Christian writers like the Apostle John used the term "self-deceived" to counter Gnostic beliefs that the material world and the body were irrelevant or evil, leading them to extreme asceticism or licentiousness. This self-deception is rooted in the Gnostic denial of the physical incarnation and resurrection of Jesus, viewing him as a phantom rather than a fully human savior who died to atone for sins. 

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@Shila
Almost too stupid to reply to. 

We reject Jesus on moral reasons.

If you ever want to actually debate, choose any of his policies. 

I E. the messianic concept is fully immoral.

You should know that you are nearing my ignore list. You may as well be a stupid bot.

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Arguments that the 
messianic concept is immoralgenerally stem from philosophical and secular critiques, as well as from internal religious disagreements about the nature of the messiah and human responsibility. 
Key arguments include:
  • Undermining Human Responsibility: A primary criticism is that the reliance on a future divine or divinely appointed figure to solve the world's problems can lead to a "lazy mental cop out" and discourage immediate human effort toward social justice and ethical action (known as tikkun olam in Judaism).
  • Potential for False Hope and Ethical Transgressions: Critics argue that messianic expectations can lead to false hopes and, in some historical cases (such as the movement around Sabbatai Zevi), have been associated with ethical transgressions by leaders and followers amidst claims of prophecy.
  • Political and Social Turmoil: Throughout history, messianic movements have often sparked political revolutions and uprisings against established authorities (e.g., Roman dominion), leading to violence and societal instability.
  • Divinity Claims and Idolatry: From a traditional Jewish perspective, the Christian belief in Jesus as a divine messiah is considered a form of idolatry and fundamentally incompatible with the Jewish assertion that there is only one God who cannot be human.
  • Division and Factionalism: Differing messianic expectations have been a core source of historical tension and division between religious communities (e.g., Jews and Christians), and within communities themselves (e.g., different Jewish denominations or Messianic Jewish groups), which some critics see as detrimental to unity.
  • Focus on the Afterlife over Earthly Morality:Some philosophers, such as Ayn Rand, have criticized certain religious ethics associated with messianic figures (like Jesus' emphasis on eternal happiness) as morally confused, arguing they foster a "death cult" by devaluing earthly existence, reason, and joy in favor of an afterlife. 
Conversely, many religious adherents and scholars view the messianic concept as a positive force for moral and social good, emphasizing that it provides hope, inspires resilience during hardship, and motivates individuals to work toward a future of peace, justice, and universal harmony. Some modern interpretations even view the messianic age as a symbolic goal of human progress and ethical evolution. 

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I have a bot as well but it is rather stupid.

Evolution?

You mean regression, or do you see the messianic concept as moral?

Use the words yes or no please.
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Gnosticism has a complex and varied relationship with messianic concepts and morality
. Gnostics generally reinterpret the idea of a Messiah, focusing on a spiritual "Illuminator" or teacher who provides gnosis(secret knowledge) for salvation from the material world, rather than a traditional redeemer figure who brings a future kingdom on earth. Gnostic morality is rooted in dualism and varied widely, often emphasizing asceticism or, in rare cases, moral nihilism. 

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No yes or no. Fuck off.

Done here.
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Gnosticism presents a radical worldview due to its core dualistic beliefs, which fundamentally challenge conventional religious and philosophical thought [1, 2, 4].
 
Key radical aspects include:
  • Dualism of Matter and Spirit: Gnosticism asserts a sharp distinction between a corrupt material world and a pure spiritual realm [4]. This view often portrays the physical body and the material universe as prisons or mistakes created by a lesser, ignorant deity (the Demiurge), rather than as good creations of a benevolent God [1, 2].
  • Critique of the Creator God: The rejection of the traditional Old Testament creator god as a malevolent or ignorant figure is a profoundly radical theological position [1, 2]. Gnostics believed this figure mistakenly thought he was the one true God, while the true, ultimate Divine Being remained hidden and transcendent [1, 2].
  • Emphasis on Secret Knowledge (Gnosis):Salvation in Gnosticism is not achieved through faith, good works, or adherence to religious law, but through direct, esoteric knowledge (gnosis) of one's divine origin and the true nature of the cosmos [4]. This knowledge is often available only to a select few, challenging the universal accessibility of salvation found in mainstream religions [1, 4].
  • Rejection of Authority: Gnostic movements often rejected the need for church hierarchies, established rituals, and external authority, encouraging direct personal revelation instead [4]. This emphasis on inner experience over organized religion was a significant challenge to the emerging structure of early Christianity [1, 4].
  • Unique View of Christ: Gnostic texts often portrayed Jesus as a spiritual messenger who came to impart secret knowledge, rather than as a savior who died for the sins of the world [1, 2]. Some Gnostics even denied that Christ had a physical body, viewing his human form as a mere appearance [1, 2]. 
These radical ideas led to Gnosticism being declared a heresy by early church fathers, and many Gnostic texts were suppressed until modern archaeological discoveries like the Nag Hammadi library in 1945 provided new insights into their beliefs [1, 2].