Middle East "GODS"= best HOAX ever !

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    The child is restless...it's Christmas Eve and.......Santa is coming !  bringing gifts and candy !

    Then as it gets later in the evening  the child begins to doze off ...eventually retiring for the evening in 
    anticipation of the new day to come .......and it comes !  

    and under the tree are GIFTS !   

    the same construct is used for the JESUS HOAX....= waste a lifetime praying, begging like a dog for salvation.
    ....YOU are a "born Sinner" a criminal ...the fact that you exist is a disgrace....you must repent-confess-surrender
    your mind and life to servitude.....ask not...think not..OBEY..and do as you are told....condemn all who do not accept
    your "GOD" they are the enemy.....and must be punished.....

    Go now to ISRAEL and demand that all convert and OBEY the CHURCH......the Church is "GOD"   
    the JEWS and MUSLIMS must be condemned....they follow a false "GOD" go save them !   
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    None of that is actually what the church teaches.

    And fyi, St Nicholas, was a real person. Not really similar to Santa Claus, though he reportedly did give poor children gifts.




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    Highly venerated saint in Orthodoxy, btw
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    "GOD" a human invention....used to HYPNOTIZE and abuse other humans into slavery and servitude of
    some imbecile who plays the character...

    these pathetic creatures are mentally deranged and use their "GOD" like a toy to punish all who do not
    accept the absurdity of their stories....like a young child attempting to convince everyone that Santa
    Claus is real....the child does not have the ability to think and reason critically...mommy and daddy 
    say santa is REAL ! ....and they can be trusted ?   

    then at some point in time the child no longer BELIEVES the story.....and learns that just because others
    BELIEVE in something it does not mean they have to.....

    ....This is the TRUTH of these horrifically OBSOLETE and IDIOTIC "GOD" inventions..they are like the 
    santa Clause construct .....they are nothing more than a metaphor .......to be used as an example for 'learning.

    But the REAL TRUTH is these "GOD" constructs are used as tools of DECEPTION...used to HYPNOTIZE
    weak minded humans (like the child) into servitude and slavery of the Parasite Vampire that got between 
    their ears...and planted a CANCER of the neural network....ultimately eating away the curiosity and desire
    to explore and discover with an open mind ....

    Reduced to a thoughtless and brainwashed slave drone...the child/adult is now under the spell of some
    Parasite Vampire that sucks the energy from their being... leaving them as an empty shell in human form... 

    paralyzed and convinced they are hopeless born sinning criminals....who must be punished and suffer
    for even existing....both in life and death....

    Middle east "GOD" Jew-Jesus-Allah...the greatest disgrace ever invented by humans for power and control
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    Slavery and servitude to who?

    How does the church "punish people"? 

    Power and control?


    None of this is applicable to Orthodox Christianity.


    Your conception of what my faith is about is very skewed and I don't see how it aligns with reality.




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    Go now to the VATICAN....surrounded by a WALL !   did your JESUS put up a WALL 
    to prevent those who are curious to enter ?   

    and what of the 1400 years of the DARK AGES ?  where the parasite vampires that
    invented the Jesus HOAX went on ramages of DEATH and DESTRUCTION in the
    name of their "GOD" ?   

    You play this "oh none of that ever happened with my Church garbage"  all of these
    idiotic JESUS church spins are nothing more than clever facades for hard core mind
    and life destroying CULTS....

    All the hypnotized Christian sheeple drone is capable of is arguing to defend the
    atrocities committed against humanity  using this idiotic boy JESUS farce as a 
    scapegoat tool....

    Health and wellness are never discussed and emphasized...everything is always
    weaved into some Church CULT Dogma or twisted bible verse VOMIT as an
    excuse to avoid HEALTH....these Christians are obsessed with FEAR-INTIMIDATION-
    and VIOLENCE to defend their BRAINWASHED minds....

    The far East India-Tibet-Chinese are so far ahead of the Middle East Terrorists that 
    use their fabricated "GOD" garbage (mostly stolen stories) as a means for power
    and control....The Jew-Jesus-Allah constructs are designed for assimilation and slavery

    Obviously you are a slave and servant to the brainwashing....a prisoner you are to the
    horrifically obsolete dogma and VOMIT these Parasite Vampire Church CULTS shove
    between your ears....

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    The Vatican is Roman Papalism. They are not Orthodox. The Bishop of Rome was given the boot for arrogantly presuming supremacy over the church and corrupting the faith. 

    1400 years of dark ages is a myth of protestantism because they don't remember anything before the reformation. Protestant/evangelical/reform/anarchy "christianity" is not Orthodox Christianity.


    You are certainly not talking Orthodox Christianity, which is actually real Christianity. 

    Any form of coercion is very much not Orthodox. Free will is a gift from God that we hold in reverence.

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    Why did you change your name? I liked vi_spex better.
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    "GOD" a human invention....used to HYPNOTIZE and abuse other humans into slavery and servitude of
    some imbecile who plays the character...

    Sounds like a crappy situation for you. Good think not everyone has one like that. 
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    The child is restless...it's Christmas Eve and.......Santa is coming !  bringing gifts and
    candy !

    Then as it gets later in the evening  the child begins to doze off ...eventually retiring for the evening in 
    anticipation of the new day to come .......and it comes !  

    and under the tree are GIFTS !   

    the same construct is used for the JESUS HOAX....= waste a lifetime praying, begging like a dog for salvation.
    ....YOU are a "born Sinner" a criminal ...the fact that you exist is a disgrace....you must repent-confess-surrender
    your mind and life to servitude.....ask not...think not..OBEY..and do as you are told....condemn all who do not accept
    your "GOD" they are the enemy.....and must be punished.....

    And what is your alternative - is it Judaism, Islam, some other gods, or a secular materialistic worldview?

    Let's see how reasonable it is. List your poison and in the meantime, we can discuss why believing in Jesus is not unreasonable. 

    Go now to ISRAEL and demand that all convert and OBEY the CHURCH......the Church is "GOD"   
    the JEWS and MUSLIMS must be condemned....they follow a false "GOD" go save them !   
    Christianity is based on the Jewish Scriptures, or what Christians call the OT. It is based on the fulfillment of everything promised the Jews. 


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    "GOD" a human invention....used to HYPNOTIZE and abuse other humans into slavery and servitude of
    some imbecile who plays the character...
    I love it, the seething anger and from a misunderstanding of the biblical God and the slavery or servitude as opposed to that of other ANE (Ancient Near East) cultures. 


    these pathetic creatures are mentally deranged and use their "GOD" like a toy to punish all who do not
    accept the absurdity of their stories....like a young child attempting to convince everyone that Santa
    Claus is real....the child does not have the ability to think and reason critically...mommy and daddy 
    say santa is REAL ! ....and they can be trusted ? 
    As opposed to what - atheism? So far the 20th-century has been the bloodiest on human record. Look at the ideologies of those who perpetrated the worst inhumanity during that century. They were secular humanists or those who did not live according to a Christian standard. 

    When you boil it down to basics there are only a few positions to come from regarding origins,
    1. We are created,
    2. We are here by accident, or,
    3. The world is an illusion, or for the desperate,
    4. Who cares.
     
    I believe it boils down to two - God or chance. 

    Now, let's look at how reasonable us thinking Chance is why we are here. Can chance reason? Does it have intention? How does it sustain anything? Why should something happen, and continually happen, and why do we find meaning and reason for things in a chance universe? Why does every human being have some idea of morality and how do you make sense of morality from a material or secular humanist position?


    then at some point in time the child no longer BELIEVES the story.....and learns that just because others
    BELIEVE in something it does not mean they have to.....

    ....This is the TRUTH of these horrifically OBSOLETE and IDIOTIC "GOD" inventions..they are like the 
    santa Clause construct .....they are nothing more than a metaphor .......to be used as an example for 'learning.
    And what is the point of atheism? 

    What does it matter that you exist and what will it matter when you are dead? What hope do you have to offer someone dying of cancer? Why should I be "good" as you define "good?" Why is your view of right and wrong actually "right" or is it? Who are you that I should believe your subjective, relative finite mindset and what you have to offer?


    But the REAL TRUTH is these "GOD" constructs are used as tools of DECEPTION...used to HYPNOTIZE
    weak minded humans (like the child) into servitude and slavery of the Parasite Vampire that got between 
    their ears...and planted a CANCER of the neural network....ultimately eating away the curiosity and desire
    to explore and discover with an open mind ....
    There is only one God. I am with you in your idea of the rest. But why is it you who have the REAL TRUTH? Who are you that you know it, in and of your own being or have you elevated yourself, a human being, to the place of God determining the REAL TRUTH?

    How open is your mind? How molded to a particular worldview is it? 


    Reduced to a thoughtless and brainwashed slave drone...the child/adult is now under the spell of some
    Parasite Vampire that sucks the energy from their being... leaving them as an empty shell in human form... 

    paralyzed and convinced they are hopeless born sinning criminals....who must be punished and suffer
    for even existing....both in life and death....

    Middle east "GOD" Jew-Jesus-Allah...the greatest disgrace ever invented by humans for power and control

    Not a shred of evidence, just your opinion. 

    Now you have mine!
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    As opposed to what - atheism? So far the 20th-century has been the bloodiest on human record. Look at the ideologies of those who perpetrated the worst inhumanity during that century. They were secular humanists or those who did not live according to a Christian standard. 

    You seem to have forgotten your mythical flood.

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    As opposed to what - atheism? So far the 20th-century has been the bloodiest on human record. Look at the ideologies of those who perpetrated the worst inhumanity during that century. They were secular humanists or those who did not live according to a Christian standard. 

    You seem to have forgotten your mythical flood.

    The Flood was not mythical. 
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    Then your god is a greater murderer than anyone. Thanks for that.
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    the same construct is used for the JESUS HOAX

    Can you actually prove and explain this "JESUS HOAX".
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    Then your god is a greater murderer than anyone. Thanks for that.
    How is punishing the extreme wickedness described an injustice?

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    How is punishing the extreme wickedness described an injustice?

    The story by necessity includes him drowning countless babies (I presume you're an anti-choice guy, so aren't they all innocent lives?)m and since animals can't murder (as you are fond of pointing out), then it stands to reason no single animal is wicked, yet this all powerful god, who theoretically could just have 'deleted' the bad actors, chose wanton destruction. I don't know how you see it another way. I mean provided I take your meaning correctly and you somehow believe a global flood covered the entire earth for 40 days. 
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    How is punishing the extreme wickedness described an injustice?

    The story by necessity includes him drowning countless babies (I presume you're an anti-choice guy, so aren't they all innocent lives?)m and since animals can't murder (as you are fond of pointing out), then it stands to reason no single animal is wicked, yet this all powerful god, who theoretically could just have 'deleted' the bad actors, chose wanton destruction. I don't know how you see it another way. I mean provided I take your meaning correctly and you somehow believe a global flood covered the entire earth for 40 days. 

    Yes, I'm anti-abortion and pro-choice. 

    God never takes an innocent human life without restoring it, or else He would not be just. And I can back up my claims with biblical text too. 

    The difference between God and you or me is that if we take an innocent life we can't restore it. God can. All life is His to give and take. You only have a brief time span on earth.

    We do not have the right, under God, to take innocent life - Thou shalt not kill.

    How it is wicked to take a life and restore it to a better place?

    How do you get billions of fossils all over the earth? How does fossilization take place? If animals die on a plain do they fossilize? Usually catastrophic conditions like mudslides of animals encased in mud and pressurized produce fossils. What catastrophic conditions do you ascribe to fossilization?
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    Now, let's look at how reasonable us thinking Chance is why we are here. Can chance reason? Does it have intention? How does it sustain anything? Why should something happen, and continually happen, and why do we find meaning and reason for things in a chance universe? Why does every human being have some idea of morality and how do you make sense of morality from a material or secular humanist position? What does it matter that you exist and what will it matter when you are dead? What hope do you have to offer someone dying of cancer? Why should I be "good" as you define "good?" Why is your view of right and wrong actually "right" or is it? Who are you that I should believe your subjective, relative finite mindset and what you have to offer?
    Chance is not an agent. It's math. Also this is a red herring question, no one says chance can reason nor does our ability to reason have anything to do with the truth value of a universe or existence by chance. It's not a why, either, it's a how. Chance doesn't sustain anything, but again no one says that either. The laws of nature are wholly sufficient to sustain the universe, adding something else that's not demonstrable into it demands an explanation.Morality has been answered repeatedly, it's evolutionarily hard wired into any social creature. The fact that it is so, a product of human evolution, means that it's fallible (if in fact it were authored by an infallible being, no one would ever disagree on matters of morality because it'd be codified and clearly so). It doesn't matter that I exist to anyone who isn't directly in my circle of people, and it won't matter when I'm dead to anyone outside it. 

    This is where you get really aggravating. What hope do I have to offer someone dying of cancer? None, and if you were honest, you don't have any to offer either. The problem is people like you who THINK there's some magic afterworld are the ones who say things like stem cell research is immoral, genetic therapy is an affront, etc. etc. for no other reason than it continues to shrink your god's power and cedes it to people like me. People who say "Wow, it sucks that you're dying of cancer, but I'm going to do research until I figure out a way to make it slower. Or make it better. Or eliminate it. Or research pain management drugs that will let you feel less as it ravages through you." YOU would tell these people "God gave you that cancer. You should thank him, and hope you're righteous enough that after he devastates your family, you get to go to heaven to be with the guy who gave you cancer. In fact he didn't just give it to you, you know all those kids with it? Yeah, them too. But thank him on their behalf when you get there, and tell him to forgive the parents who are mad at him for killing their baby.OH, tremendous pain you're in right? That stinks. Why take the medication? Just pray and it'll go away. And if it doesn't, t's just Jesus testing your faith, so if you waiver, get ready to burn in hell forever unless you decide right at the last second to kiss up to him again, then you're fine. Probably." That Christians think they have the market on comforting people who are in their last extremity is fucking offensive. Lying to someone about a party they're about to die and go to? Reprehensible. Also, do any Christian comfort folks ever tell the dying "You might be on your way to hell for all I know, maybe nothing you can even do about it?" Are all dying cancer patients going to heaven? Give me a break you pompous ass. 

    You should be good because you're a good person. Not because you think you're getting a reward. Or that you will avoid being punished. That would make you a person of integrity. And there are far more of those than there are bloodthirsty atheists waiting to take over your life, you coward. 


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    If God is The Ultimate Reality, which God certainly is, you criticizing God for what God does amounts to little more than pointing at the sky and yelling "I don't like the way things are, I would rather it be this way, I replace reality with my own!"

    The problem of evil and all its variations fundamentally stem from a superstitious understanding of what God is.


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    od never takes an innocent human life without restoring it, or else He would not be just. And I can back up my claims with biblical text too. 

    The difference between God and you or me is that if we take an innocent life we can't restore it. God can. All life is His to give and take. You only have a brief time span on earth. 

    We do not have the right, under God, to take innocent life - Thou shalt not kill.

    How it is wicked to take a life and restore it to a better place?

    How do you get billions of fossils all over the earth? How does fossilization take place? If animals die on a plain do they fossilize? Usually catastrophic conditions like mudslides of animals encased in mud and pressurized produce fossils. What catastrophic conditions do you ascribe to fossilization?
    There was no better place when the flood happened, right? The afterlife is a new testament concern. 

    So it's never right to kill? Let's play a game then. You are a man with a gun. You notice a child walking into a maternity ward. You see this child is wearing a suicide bomb, and a crucifix necklace, so he might be Christian. You can kill him and save others. Do you?

    If animals are buried under volcanic ash on a plain they can fossilize. You're getting out of your depth. Are you about to question the scientific methods of dating beyond carbon dating? I'll save you the time. Where did all the water go? 
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    If God is The Ultimate Reality, which God certainly is, you criticizing God for what God does amounts to little more than pointing at the sky and yelling "I don't like the way things are, I would rather it be this way, I replace reality with my own!"

    The problem of evil and all its variations fundamentally stem from a superstitious understanding of what God is.

    The lack of self awareness from the religious never ceases to amaze. I don't believe in god at all. I don't shake my fist at the sky, at all. I don't thank it for things, at all. Life happens. We have to make it what we can. I don't have a problem of evil, because I believe bad people exist and they do bad things. 

    You're the only one who's convinced god is the ultimate reality, and have yet to sufficiently explain that definition in a way that convinces anyone. 
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    If God is The Ultimate Reality, which God certainly is, you criticizing God for what God does amounts to little more than pointing at the sky and yelling "I don't like the way things are, I would rather it be this way, I replace reality with my own!"

    The problem of evil and all its variations fundamentally stem from a superstitious understanding of what God is.

    The lack of self awareness from the religious never ceases to amaze. I don't believe in god at all. I don't shake my fist at the sky, at all. I don't thank it for things, at all. Life happens. We have to make it what we can. I don't have a problem of evil, because I believe bad people exist and they do bad things. 

    You're the only one who's convinced god is the ultimate reality, and have yet to sufficiently explain that definition in a way that convinces anyone. 
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    I am not the only one who believes that God is the Ultimate Reality. Besides it being believed by the church for thousands of years, it is in the dictionary.

    It is not shocking that I cannot convince a know it all that they don't know it all.
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    Again, rich. I'm the one comfortable with the answer "I don't know" to stuff like "Why's the universe here?" You're the one who says "I know for sure." I'm the one who answers the question with "Why do bad things happen?" with "I don't know, they just do." You're the one who says "Because Jesus is the ultimate reality, praise be!" as if that is even close to an answer. Get it together.