The trinity doctrine is a lie.

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The trinity doctrine is false doctrine. It was invented just as christianity was.

You can't read anywhere in biblical scripture that there are three persons of the godhead or God the Father is the first person, God the son is the second nor holy spirit is the third.

The biblical scriptures are touted to be spiritual books, spiritual writings. Now because men can't understand them, they either become or remain atheists or become trinitarians.

The trinity doctrine was invented or designed by and for a logical framework.

The only way to have things make sense, these people analogize with "three persons"....."three personalities"....."three equal deities" and so on and on and on the falsehood continues.

What is very easy to cast a stumbling block for many trinitarians is asking.....did God ever stop being the Father?

Did God ever stop being the Father ever?

Perhaps the greatest question ever to have them stumble at the words.

The apostles which would include Jesus never ever ever never ever taught or said God is three persons.

But individuals whom people may call the "church fathers" invented the doctrine because these people never received the revelation as according to the apostles of the scriptures.

These people invented this and then established denominations behind it. I've seen a denomination named trinity Methodist church or trinity United community etc.

Nowhere in scripture where it was taught to branch off in all these divisions.

By christianity being one. Hebrew Israelite being another and I'll even say Islam.

Anybody agree or disagree, step forward to expound.



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Yep, for sure all religious stuff is made up shit.

As Ug said to Og, uh ah uh.

And Og replied ah uh ah.

And Ug smote down Og for being blasphemous, and then went and mated with the former Mrs Og.

And the gospel according to Ug was uh ah uh.

And Ug went ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And the former Mrs Og went ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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The trinity is simple to understand. They are three separate entities united in a mission as one. God the father is the father of Jesus, Jesus is distinctly a son and not the father and the Holy Spirit comes third as a separate entity. They all play different roles  and are united in cause. It makes Christianity more explainable instead of teaching multiple gods.
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Yep, as clear as mud.

And the holy spirit is distilled or fermented.

Though alternative hallucinogenics are available.

Such was and is shamanism.

Such were Abraham and  Moses, to name but two.

And the trinity is either a toasted cheese and ham sandwich, or fries, cheese curds and gravy...You choose.

Could have rhubarb crumble and custard to follow if you like...Though alternative sweet trinities are available.

And if you fancy a spirit to wash it all down, how about a gin and tonic with a slice of lemon...Failing that, three glasses of wine....Hallucinations a go go.


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This is kind of an exact words fallacy though. Like sure, the Bible never explicitly says the word “trinity” or formally defines the idea, but the idea is baked into the text. For example the Bible mentions the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit separately and yet calls all three of them God. For example in John 20:28 where Thomas calls Jesus “my Lord and my God”, and Jesus accepts this praise, implying that the Jesus and the Bible claim that He’s God. However Jesus also often refers to God the Father as if he’s a separate person. The scene of Jesus’ baptism also features, the Father, Son, and Spirit depicted as being separate, but all divine (Matthew 3:16–17). In fact Jesus says in Matthew 28:19 “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Notice that the word “name” is SINGULAR while referring to 3 distinct persons. The three being here also implies some sort of equality. Now we already know that the Father is God and that Jesus claims to be God, so this verse shows Jesus also claiming that the Sprit is also God, but distinct from the Father and the Son. If you follow the logic, then the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet Jesus makes the deliberate decision to delineate between them and in fact in other verses, communicates with the Father and Holy Spirit - implying separate personhood. I hope I’ve provided enough evidence from scripture to at least convince you that the doctrine of the Trinity is at the very least a reasonable extrapolation based on interpretations of the verses if not what the scriptures are actually trying to convey and that the early church Fathers didn’t make this structure up out of nowhere. I know I didn’t quite answer all of your questions and I can expand further if you want those answers or have any rebuttals.



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right but the OP isn’t asking how the trinity works, they’re disputing that it even exists
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You can raise a toast to the Trinity. Christians often do.
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Atheists too.

I particularly enjoy toast topped with humus and mango chutney...Such is a trinity to raise a glass too

Though only ever one glass...Such is.
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You are allowed 3 glasses when you toast to the Trinity.
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Have you ever seen the British/Irish TV comedy Father Ted?
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I don’t get British comedy.
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Father Ted is one of those stand alone productions.

I'll give Swan Lake a go, if you'll give Father Ted one.
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I hear that was a good show.
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@Shila
On your view of multiple Gods. Yahweh was an androgenous God.
Where did his feminine side end up?
The Trinity concept ends with us being subjected to yet another genocide, which is why I reject the Trinity and genocidal Jesus.
Logic and reason say that Yahweh's feminine side ended in Satan, as the feminine is the root of mall evil to an evolving species like ours. 

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I think Jesus answers the question of the position of God as compared to man, when he says that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath.
We  can easily extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that the Gods and the myths we create are created for us and not us for them.
Supernatural thinking is poor thinking if a true view of reality is what is sought.
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The Bible names the trinity as three separate entities, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They each have their roles to play but are united in cause. That is why they known as the Trinity.
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@Shila
United in cause??? B.S.

Yahweh says my just rewards and wages for my sins is death.

Jesus says that if I sin and abdicate my responsibility for my sins, I am saved. 

The messianic concept of punishing the innocent instead of the guilty is is quite immoral and unjust. Right?

If Yahweh has good justice, Jesus reversing it must be evil.
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Who is Yahweh's feminine side and the source of all evil if not Satan?
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S'all bollocks Gnost.

All bollocks made up by daft, ignorant blokes.

Whose only answer was, it must have been a bloke what did it.

And John was J's bitch, who perhaps used to dress up in red skin tight outfit, with a whip and horns...The devil indeed.

Hmmmm, such was first century fantasy, such is enduring fantasy.

Satirical but true.

Yep trinity...Sausage, mash and gravy.
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Wild extrapolation bro. “Sabbath was created for man” was just Jesus explaining the reason for a law and it was his way of condemning legalism. Turning that into a condemnation of Gods existence is a massive non sequitor and literally doesn’t fit in at all with any of his other teachings - especially considering Jesus claimed to be God himself as I mentioned earlier
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How is Jesus or the Trinity genocidal? That kind of dramatic sweeping claim requires some evidence to back it up. Also just because Jesus came down to earth incarnated as a biological male, it doesn’t necessarily mean that God doesn’t have a feminine side. That’s just a completely baseless extrapolation. 

Also you say that “Logic and reason say that Yahweh's feminine side ended in Satan, as the feminine is the root of mall [sic] evil to an evolving species like ours. ”

…WHAT? That just feels sexist for like absolutely no reason. There is no universe in which “logic and reason” show you that femininity is the root of all evil and that Satan is just Gods feminine side incarnate. There is literally no evidence to support that claim whatsoever.