Liam Neeson Controversy

how do you control companies in other or working in other countries, it's the "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" kind of thing.  the U.S. could invade or overthrow the current government and replace it with a democratic republic,  wouldn't that benefit the citizens in the best and long term way?

obviously no one really cares enough to go to that extreme.

I need (as opposed to a want) clothes, what manufacture produces clothes that are 100%, fabric etc socially acceptably produced?  And lets keep it real, I would never pay $150 for jeans for example.

you seem to say if those companies are boycotted other companies that treat their employees better will rise up in those countries.

 I thought I made it clear that these people will have to fend for themselves.  Just like the people of Cuba.

I don't necessarily disagree with that and what I have been taking issue is the reference to everyone being rapist and murderers for supporting those companies, even unknowingly.  and you...... "well stated" 

If you take those jobs away and let the people and children fend for themselves even if they starve to death is that better or worse than the original accusation?

people being exploited for they labors vs left to fend for themselves with no job or money, which would you chose?

Do you believe that giving money to people who commit crimes and atrocities makes you complicit?

Do you want to use your money-vote to promote slavery or human dignity?

Would you buy groceries from a corner store if you knew the owner was also an atrocious notorious criminal?

Would you buy groceries from a corner store if you knew the owner was treating their workers and supply chain humanely?

Do you believe that giving money to people who commit crimes and atrocities makes you complicit?

if done knowingly, intentionally, perhaps.

Do you want to use your money-vote to promote slavery or human dignity?

to a small degree sure, but since my budget is such that I have to spend wisely and make it go as far as possible, my decisions are adjusted accordingly.  

Would you buy groceries from a corner store if you knew the owner was also an atrocious notorious criminal?

Would you buy groceries from a corner store if you knew the owner was treating their workers and supply chain humanely?

I would buy from whom ever had the best quality, safest product for me and my family.  If all things being equal, then the latter.

the free market is the solution and I think we agree on that,

but that does take time and lots of other conditions to benefit the workers, the abusive conditions are allowed by both the free and controlled markets in certain countries.  Change never happens as quickly as we would like, but it is happening.  If the socially conscious companies grow and thrive, that will speed up the change, but not in countries like N.K. 

Give me a comparable product to purchase that is socially conscious and I will purchase it, give me a choice.

The point is that if people always buy whatever is cheapest, like mindless robots

The point is that if people always buy whatever is cheapest, like mindless robots

this is true on a great number of levels including why obesity is such a problem.  You can expect people to make good choices for others, when they don't or won't do it for themselves and their children.Family and myself are the highest priorities and I make no apologizes for it.

as to the rest, I find little value and productivity in the blame game.

Every time I buy petrol, I understand that I am contributing to the capricious and tyrannical regimes that export oil.  Does this mean I will stop driving?  Of course not.  Does this mean I will apologize for driving?  Of course not.

no of course not, it's what rapist and murders do apparently (which is the start of this and what I took issue with) do you consider yourself to be a rapist and murderer or an accomplice in those acts because of how you spend your money?

I have yet to discover any sort of moral system or theory that absolves unwitting participants or contributors.

I am morally culpable for the suffering that I actively support, both directly and indirectly, both knowingly and unintentionally.

I am morally culpable for the historic suffering that I benefit from, both directly and indirectly, both knowingly and unintentionally.

I am morally culpable for the suffering that I actively support, both directly and indirectly, both knowingly and unintentionally.

I am morally culpable for the historic suffering that I benefit from, both directly and indirectly, both knowingly and unintentionally.

do you consider yourself to be a rapist and murderer or an accomplice in those acts because of how you spend your money?

Yes we are accomplices.  Please describe your hypothetical moral theory that absolves unwitting participants or contributors.

Yes we are accomplices.  Please describe your hypothetical moral theory that absolves unwitting participants or contributors.

speak for your self, don't put your judgements and morality on me.

no I respect your opinion and would defend it, even if I don't agree or don't subscribe to it. 

You have every right to carry the label of murderer, rapist or accomplice to those and more, that is your choice. 

Many religious zealots espouse original sin, they should make peace with their own conscience and stop trying to force their beliefs on others who don't wish it.

as I said if you wish to dawn the label of murder, child abuser, rapist etc then do so. 

I purchase legal goods and services. 

My tax money is taken from me without any choice on my part.  Machine guns where purchased and send to Mexico which the drug cartels got.  I didn't vote for that idiot Obama who thought of this bright idea nor do I hold myself responsible in any way what so ever for the people murdered and crimes committed because of those actions.

Purchasing a widget from a company does not make one responsible for the actions of the ceo, company policies etc if they are not known or obvious. 

If you want to try and draw some kind of philosophical lines, that's the proper forum section, or the religious.

Now if you'd like to talk about those who supported people like Castro, or things like illegal aliens, illegal immigration, then yes they do so knowingly and willfully.

you can't name one thing that can't be linked back to something terrible, maybe 1 or 2 things, but not many at all.  By your logic you are complicate as soon are you were born. 

That's fine for philosophy and religion, otherwise it's just pedantic.

what you describe is the same as the original sin theory, which has not legal basis but is philosophical/religious and not political. 

I've purchased a car, but have never killed anyone while driving a car.

this blame or responsibility you are trying to attribute is just philosophical.

make such an inflammatory blanket statement is do to exactly what it has done, pit people against each other, spur arguments etc, hence it wasn't really an honest statement imo.