is trump a racist, or just have racist views?

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    he says things that are racist, but that doesn't mean he is one.

    he says a mexican judge can't be neutral because he is mexican. he said obama wasn't born in the usa. the only thing basis in both cases that trump had to say anything was color of skin. it's an unjustified prejudice, even if he's not fully aware of it. 

    what reasons do you have to think he's racist? not a racist?
    do you think he has no racist views?
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    none of those were "racist"
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    I agree. Non of those things were racist.

    The reason I don't think Trump is racist is because he has not done anything racist.
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    If those are examples of racism, then everyone is a racist.
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    how do ya'll define racist? my main criteria is 'unjustified prejudice'. in my examples, he had prejudice that wasn't justified based on skin color only, pretty much. the examples weren't exactly malicious, but they were prejudicial. 
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    how do ya'll define racist? my main criteria is 'unjustified prejudice'. in my examples, he had prejudice that wasn't justified based on skin color only, pretty much. the examples weren't exactly malicious, but they were prejudicial. 
    "Unjustified prejudice" can mean millions of things other than skin tone.

    First off, you have to be some kind of backwards idiot in this day and age to believe that races exist based on skin tone. All the latest DNA testing will show a person with percentages of ethnic DNA from all around the world. Everybody is a mutt to some degree. There are no purebred "races." Additionally, there are far more mutts in places like America where there are massive migration patterns. The only place where you could find anything close to a "race" would be some secluded South American tribe or maybe some Australian tribe. Even then, there's still significant DNA variance that goes far beyond the singular phenotype of the melanin gene. "Skin tone race" is completely debunked by every scientific metric regarding DNA.

    So in order to be a racist, you first have to be an uneducated idiot that believes in some theory some white colonists cooked up with no science behind it in the 1800's that claims skin color determines "race."

    Next you have to believe that there are significant differences in these races on the genetic level.

    Trump fails on both these charges.
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    "differences on the genetic level"

    you could have distilled your rant down to this as it's the only thing that might possibly make sense.  of course there are different races. there are black people and there are white people. sure everyone is a mutt to some degree but you'd have to be stupid to think there isn't a difference. also, even with your criteria, why is someone racist just because he understands that sciences says there are different genetics involved with the races? black people have different health concerns than white people, for instance, sometimes. the list goes on. i think if you starting saying something about prejudice and genetics or superiority, then maybe you'd be on to something. that is exactly how the dictinoary defines racist, involving prejudice or superority complexes. 
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    it sounds like something a brain dead liberal would try to argue, that there aren't races. of course there is. call a spade a spade. michael Jordan is black, from the black race. larry bird is white, from the white race. there are people in between but that does't mean the general rule doesn't exist. 
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    it sounds like something a brain dead liberal would try to argue, that there aren't races. of course there is. call a spade a spade.

    that is exactly how the dictinoary defines racist, involving prejudice or superority complexes. 

    Then you agree there is genetic variance and certain behavioal predispositions within those races necessarily. 

    Unless you dont, then I imagine a conversation about genetics with you is somewhere along the lines of,

    Why is that dog the color it is? 

     because of genes it got from its parents

    Why is that dog the size it is? 

    Because of the genes it got from its parents

    Why is that dog not as smart as other ones? 

    *sweats profusely* uhhhhh, various socio-economic factors of course 🙊🙉🙈



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    Next you have to believe that there are significant differences in these races on the genetic level.

    There isn't much difference percentage wise, minor differentiation can result in vast physiological changes though. The idea of "pure" races as thought of is pretty bunk at this point given the scope of crossbreeding and population growth that's occurred in the past 200 or so years. 

    But, the notion that humanity will eventually become an amalgamated species of uniform mixed ethnicity is also equally bunk. Even with the rapid rise to interracial couplings, only one demographic, black males, sits above 10% at 12%. All other demographics fall under 10% with most falling even further to below 5% rates. 

    This alone would suggest that is not likely to happen, and rather, we will over the course of tens to hundreds of milennia probably see the rise of interbred, bu distinctive nonetheless, races, that will replace the current conceptions of "race" as we consider it 🤔

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    Trump said, "I have had horrible rulings, I have been treated unfairly by this judge, Now this judge is of Mexican heritage, I'm building a wall."

    There's no question Trump is a racist with that remark.
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    Yeah, you have more than denials and ad-hom.

    Doctor, heal thyself.


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    Grow up, troll.

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    Mexico isn't a race, it's a nation. That makes Trump a nationalist.
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    How about the words Trump actually used, "Mexican Heritage"?
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    Your name fits you.

    I can debate. So far, all you've done is hurl insults and get angry that you weren't agreed with. You can call me a troll, but if you keep acting like one, one of us will suffer a troll's fate.

    Want to guess who?
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    So what? Nations have culture and heritage, some that are in line with what America believes in, and some which are not.

    There is no "Mexican" race, and people sound like 3rd graders when they imply that Mexico has a distinct "race" that sets them significantly apart from any other human on the planet.
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    of course there are different races. there are black people and there are white people.
    Name me one genetic feature besides melanin every person with Black skin has that no other person on the planet has. Do go on.

    How about every person with White skin? Don't bother replying, because the answer is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
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     because the answer is obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.
    dude you didn't know he's the real scarecrow from Oz?

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    Mexico has races who live there, some indigenous and some not. Trump was indeed referring to that judge's race when he made that comment. To say he was referring to Mexico as a nation is ridiculous.
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    I really don't care about your opinion on the "races of mexico", or even about the racism in Mexico.

    There is no ONE MEXICAN RACE.

    You can criticize Mexico for a thousand years and it still won't be racist.

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    Trump is a jingoist, a racist and a fascist.

    He is entirely deserving of the hate he gets and will be remembered as a scumbag in decades to come.
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    So when CNN calls out a Russian lawyer, are they being racist too?

    The TDS is too damn high.
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    he says things that are racist, but that doesn't mean he is one. 

    he says a mexican judge can't be neutral because he is mexican. he said obama wasn't born in the usa. the only thing basis in both cases that trump had to say anything was color of skin. it's an unjustified prejudice, even if he's not fully aware of it. 

    what reasons do you have to think he's racist? not a racist?do you think he has no racist views?
    This is further proof that the conception of "racist" is nonsensical, nebulous rhetoric.

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    it's an unjustified prejudice, even if he's not fully aware of it. 

    Unconscious(implicit?) bias?