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@TheDredPriateRoberts
California has a government too big to fail, so the people that live there are screwed.
Is climate change a problem?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It's sad when Iran and North Korea have built more new nuclear reactor power plants reducing carbon than the USA.
The last two power plants to be built in the US were the Watts Bar plant, which began construction in 1973, was completed in 1990, and didn't begin commercial operation until 1996, and the River Bend plant, which was built in 1977 and went online in 1986.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, nuclear power is sad butt-forward way into the future when a comprehensive wholistic view is considered.
Chernyoble containment shelter is stainless steel and the hope is it will last 100 years with no maintennace
They used stainless steel for the containment shelter, because, there is no way workers could go inside to prep, prime and repaint interior steel while being radiated.
Believe this following quote and the author will tell you many more of the same.
...." The question is not how humans can gain absolute mastery, since that’s impossible, but rather which machines, on balance, deliver the most good with the least harm. On that metric, nuclear power has always been, inherently, the safest way to power civilization."...
This above authors view attempts short term balance and lacks long term, comprehensive considerations.
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Obama orders regulatory review..."First, power plant owners must put in place the resources and implement the procedures required to keep a reactor’s core cool in the event a power plant's emergency electricity supply is knocked out. Similar procedures and resources must be adopted to keep fuel rod pools, where a power plant stores its radioactive waste, full of water, following any event that knocks out all of a plant’s emergency power supplies.
The inability to keep the reactor cores cool at Daiichi, once power was knocked out and emergency power packs drained, resulted in the meltdowns in Japan.Fuel rods are used to generate heat and electricity at a nuclear power plant. When they are used up, but still highly radioactive, they have to be stored underwater for several years in pools, before being dried and stored on site in giant concrete casks. There they will stay until a permanent waste facility is built to house the fuel rods indefinitely. No national site has been built to house commercial waste from any power plant, so most of the waste is stored locally at the power plant.
..Third, the rule requires the power plants to “reserve the resources” required to protect the core and spent fuel pools from external hazards that may breach the plant’s walls and containment areas."....
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@Greyparrot
nuclear power and hydro power can provide reliable emissions-free power much more affordably than wind and solar power. Natural gas will produce a modest amount of emissions but is superior to wind and solar power on other important environmental fronts.
Why the Best Path to a Low-Carbon Future is Not Wind or Solar Power
new Brookings working paper breaks down the comprehensive costs and benefits of five common low-carbon electricity technologies: wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, and gas combined cycle (an advanced, highly energy efficient type of natural gas plant).
renewable incentives that are biased in favor of wind and solar and biased against large-scale hydro, nuclear and gas combined cycle are a very expensive and inefficient way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
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@Alec
D-Pirate---renewable incentives that are biased in favor of wind and solar and biased against large-scale hydro, nuclear and gas combined cycle are a very expensive and inefficient way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
The French love all things technical.
..."Today, France has 59 nuclear reactors providing about 78% of its electricity. It is also the leading exporter of nuclear energy in the EU. One might say France took a huge gamble and it appears it won big"...at least in the short term. In long term, a comprehensive, mind-forward first approach, is not what humanity best known for,
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@mustardness
Coal has killed more people than Chernobyl.
Cities with no power kill more people than Chernobyl.
If you have an axe to grind, please don't do it on the graves of the Venezuelans.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It's a joke to say "renewable" energy is wind and solar when it is impossible to manufacture turbines and panels without fossil fuels.
There is no way humans can tap into the sun (the sun creates wind too so they are both solar) and get an efficient stream of energy unless they launch satellites into orbit to counteract the spinning effect of the planet.
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@Greyparrot
It's a joke to say "renewable" energy is wind and solar when it is impossible to manufacture turbines and panels without fossil fuels.
Lets say your correct on this. They save more fossil fuels then what it takes to produce them.
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@Greyparrot
reduce the world's population, less people means less resources need, less global warming. Even running efficient plants, if the population grows they will need more and bigger plants to produce energy and more global warming again. Common denominator in all of this....people. Nuclear and natural gas are the 2 most logical until humans develop Star Trek like technology.
the batteries and infra structure need for wind and solar would be far worse environmentally, solar farms have already ruined some desert ecosystems.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
reduce the world's population, less people means less resources need, less global warming.
How do you propose the reduce the world's population?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
The scientific fact is that water would be far more contaminated from ruptured landfills containing old panels, turbines, and batteries that any amount of ruptured slow radiation emitting nuclear waste hundreds of feet deeper than any water table.
Air and water first. Then worry about adjusting the global thermostat. Priorities.
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@Alec
war, disease, famine......institude a one child policy like China, maybe limit people who work to have children? I'm not actually proposing anything just pointing out the obvious that people are the problem.How do you propose the reduce the world's population?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
What's scary about that article I linked is that it's ALREADY a problem, even if we were to magically switch from solar to nuclear today.
Beware your water.
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@Greyparrot
oh I know I've posted before about the rare metals etc that are needed to make the batteries and how much earth you have to dig out just to find the small amounts that might be in there, cobalt I think it was. China is creating an environmental nightmare because of the profit and demand for it, like they aren't doing that already anyway lol They would love it if were where dependent on them for solar panels and batteries. Trying to dictate terms to someone you are dependent on doesn't work very well either.
There's inherent risk in everything but with more knowledge and better technology we can minimize it. Given the advancements and what we know now, nuclear,hydro and gas power is a no brainer. Neither are sun or wind dependent and leave a smaller environmental foot print generally.
all I can say is LOL
since they absorb heat, where does that heat go? oh into the surrounding environment, isn't that global warming? Or do they use 100% of the heat they absorb every second of every day and turn it into electricity? somehow i don't think so.
the most efficient I can find is about 20% where's that 80% go? LOL
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
NIMBY America is running out of backyards though. China refuses to take most of our toxic crap today. It won't be long before America has no place to legally dump their toxic solar panels and other things.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
since they absorb heat, where does that heat go? oh into the surrounding environment, isn't that global warming?
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@Greyparrot
The field data and our simulations show that the annualaverage of air temperatures at 2.5 m of the ground in thecenter of simulated solar farm section is 1.9c higher than theambient and that it declines to the ambient temperature at 5 to18 m heights. The field data also show a clear decline of airtemperatures as a function of distance from the perimeter ofthe solar farm, with the temperatures approaching the ambienttemperature (within 0.3c), at about 300 m away.
though these farms are small scale now, what if.....
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@dustryder
The changing albedo of the surface of the earth isn't junk science.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Rather then decreasing the world's population, why doesn't the carrying capacity for humans increase? This can be done with GMOs and the clearing of land to a partial extent to create farms.
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@Alec
The temperature is only rising by about 2 degrees. I can survive a 2 degree temperature increase.
Imagine you are running a temperature of 38.611 degrees (101.5 F).
Now imagine that a doctor tells you that your temperature will continue to rise until you do something about it.
You might think, I'm not dead, I can probably cope, but pretty soon you will be bed ridden and unable to drive to get help.
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@Alec
we can also cultivate insect farms and sea weed farms for essentially limitless supplies of essential nutrients.
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@Alec
Read up on fertilizers and pesticides, then all the equipment needed. You want to clear forests? National parks? What land are you thinking of?
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@n8nrgmi
Every farm is the destruction of something elses habitat. The earth has finite land and a finite capacity for any species of life. even microorganisms.
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@Greyparrot
OMG, youve finally made a rational, logical common sense statement GP.The earth has finite land and a finite capacity for any species of life.
Pretty soon you may even be able to grasp the rational, logical sense Bru7al has been sharing here for quite some time now.
Imagine that. A world where people actually speak to each other in rational, logical common sense ways and there ego does not block out truth.
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@3RU7AL
Imagine you are running a temperature of 38.611 degrees (101.5 F).
Imagination is not common to all people here at DArt.
Now imagine that a doctor tells you that your temperature will continue to rise until you do something about it. You might think, I'm not dead, I can probably cope, but pretty soon you will be bed ridden and unable to drive to get help.
Yeah, imagine that is like telling you need to loose weight an that will help with the fever, so we need to shed a billion or two peoples, or at least not add another 2 billion any time soon.
All of the 60]s predictions of the global population had to be revised in the 90's, to 1 billion less people, for two reasons;
1} Chinas began there 1 child per family policy, and,
2} so many in Africa were dying from AIDs.
Bucky Fullers world grid idea requires no batteries, and it connects the day and night side of the planet, ergo, the amount of energy we have on Earth is doubled immediately, just by the night side wind and hydro sending energy to the day side that needs it most.
Duhh. Wind power requires not batteries.
Duhh. Hydro requires no batteries.
Duhh. Solar feeding into the world grid requires not batteries.
Why is it so many humans cannot think outside of a shoe box of limitations.
....'the greatest interference { impdiement } to my learning comes from my education'....A Einstein
No truer words have been spoken for many years now. So many people thinking with their butts instead of their minds is not healthy for humanity.
Nuclear energy is not the long term solution for humanities energy needs. Those who keep saying it is, are not thinking in wholistically comprehensive and long term. Seriously. Short { narrow mind } side-ness is rampant problem for humanity.
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@mustardness
Brutal is as retardo as you are...
Imagine a world where humans don't have sweat glands or air conditioning...now imagine it's 103 degrees outside...
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
What land are you thinking of?
In the US, I'm wanting to sacrifice most of the coastal land for farming, with the exception of National parks that happen to be on the coast. This way, it is easy for purposes of trade. I also support GMOs which can increase our carrying capacity.
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@Alec
you do realize that the pesticides and fertilizer end up in the drinking water as it is now, both of which are toxic, Roundup is a pretty good example. We can't keep our drinking water and environment clean from the farming that exists now, expanding to a much great scale should produce much worse results I think. the production of fertilizer and pesticides probably isn't a green process either.
Yes climate change is real. You even said so in your first post. Does it matter? Not really. We are either able to live on the planet or not. Once humans are gone who cares.