How many gods does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

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    This is not a joke. I have never seen or heard of any god(s) that have accomplished this feet. To be clear I am not talking about acting through or influencing a mortal agency. I mean physically screwing in a lightbulb for themselves.

    Especially if you consider your god maximally powerful or as a creator of the universe. Such a being should find any task I can accomplish child's play and yet no god(s) seem to ever have such a simple, direct and above all physical effect on any observable part of our world.

    Do you believe that any god(s) are capable of screwing in a lightbulb and if so what keeps them from doing so?
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    Atheists are often heard saying that a human-centric view of the universe is arrogant. That it is vain to think some vast cosmic being is interested in our tiny doings. Why then should we turn around and ask why this vast cosmic being has never performed a trick purely for our benefit?
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    The lightbulb is just a placeholder for any discernable physical effect whatever. Many things have observable physical effects that are not for my benefit.

    So far as I can tell I have never observed any god(s) doing anything. Certainly nothing that I could not think of another perfectly reasonable explanation for.

    How do we identify the difference between those things which exist and those which do not if not by the physical effect it has on our universe?

    Honestly even then our universe could simply be an illussion.
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    I don't know how many gods are required, but you can be sure there will be at least one human involved. :-P


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    In that case I don't think any god(s) necessarily involved.
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    I think there are demarcation considerations, for instance I don't think Mesoamerican gods have an adequate knowledge of threads even if they have a rudimentary understanding of electricity. Just sayin'.
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    Trollin', Trollin', Trollin'. 
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    How do you know they haven't?They could be doin sht all the time.
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    Perhaps they do. Perhaps it is a god that hides people's car keys but I have never spoken with anyone who claimed a being they knew was a god did something as fundamentalmy physical as that within their observation.
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    This is a serious question and not meant as a jab, though of course you are under no obligation to answer whether you have an answer or not.
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    Bull. 
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    I would be happy to hear suggestions for how the question should have been worded. Honestly screw in a lightbulb is just a placeholder for any observable physical act.
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    In that case I don't think any god(s) necessarily involved

    Agreed.

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    --> @secularmerlin
    This is a serious question and not meant as a jab, though of course you are under no obligation to answer whether you have an answer or not.


    There was an interesting thread in another forum about the origins of the Universe and whether something can come from nothing....

    I find it interesting that some Atheists can believe thats possible but a Being that powers far surpass ours (to the point of being considered "God(s)" is impossible





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    I do not claim to have evidence for or against the idea that some god(s) exist. This thread is merely asking about god claims of a particular nature.
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    Just to be clear, the mastermind or leader of a crime organisation isn't guilty unless it was done at their physical hand according to you?
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    Just to be clear this has nothing to do with the op.
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    It does.
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    Ok what does this have to do with some god(s) being able and willing to personally screw in a lightbulb for themselves without the intervention of mortals?
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    You seem to think 'screwing' requires a hand at all. The God can 'screw' simply through wanting it to turn.

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    I have never observed a lightbulb to be screwed in by such means have you?
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    If I had you'd call me mentally ill and if I haven't you'll say that OP is true.

    You keep making debates that are either intentionally wrong to prod at people and provoke them or are the result of shallow thinking, I'm still unsure which. I like to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you're a high IQ satirist playing a low IQ atheist.
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    I do not claim to have evidence for or against the idea that some god(s) exist. This thread is merely asking about god claims of a particular nature.

    You know I'm not making reference to you specifically Bro although my premise is still sound.

    I still wonder though that as vast as the Universe is, how could someone logically discount that such an being could exist


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    As I said before on another thread I am not qualified to diagnose mental illness. My first question if ypur claim is that you have seen a lightbulb screwed in directly by a god without the intervention of a mortal would actually be "How do you know that no mortals were involved?"
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    Discount is perhaps a strong term. Better to say I see no reason to believe in such a being.