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Food was also pretty cheap in the 1800's in the south too. Screw you. I'll take my expensive food and sleep better at night. Screw corporate slave owners.
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cheap labor and people to take advantage of is addicting for businesses I'm sure, not that's even remotely possible, if they were deported at a reasonable rate and the process to enter legally was fixed, the legals would replace the illegals.  in a perfect world the ways illegals come in would be addressed and drastically cut, many that are already here could stay.  It's the constant flow of illegals is the problem imo.
But yeah if they have fake ones, seems they could get social security after all.
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And yet you seem unconcerned with the 1% of Americans who strip the wealth from the other 99% of Americans, why is that?

A true story?
One of the 1%ers is sitting at a table with an American worker and an illegal immigrant and there's $100 on the table. The 1%er snatches $99 and puts it in his pocket and tells the worker to be careful because the illegal wants to steal his dollar.
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I'm not concerned at all. It's in humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool. The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
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unproductive people from the gene pool. The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
You want to get rid of the 1%ers too? Good for you.
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I'm not concerned at all. It's in humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool. The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
Of course you believe that every person making over 50 million a year is a flipping genius.

Of course you ignore the fact that 90% of them inherited serious financial advantages.
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Illegals should be taking zero benefits. Every remittance sent to Mexico and other shithole countries should be confiscated and used to build the wall until the illegals deport themselves. Coyotes should be eradicated instead of being a 20 billion dollar a year industry in trafficking humans to get free healthcare and free education in the USA as an illegal invader. The USA does not need to subsidize Mexican cartel coyotes.

Simply boycott every product you normally buy that employs immigrant labor
Free market capitalism baby!!




If this is meant to contribute to the thread would you clarify the implication?
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unproductive people from the gene pool. The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
You want to get rid of the 1%ers too? Good for you.

Communism? 
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1) We should NOT be funding illegal aliens with any sort of welfare.
Evidence of this occurring?
2) Congress does NOT represent people that cannot vote for them. If that were true, every boy would have endless candy and every girl would own a pony, and every felon would have free prostitutes.
Evidence of illegal immigrants voting or Congress representing people that do not vote? 
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I'm not concerned at all. It's in humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool.
I called it a while ago but now this has got to be more confirmation that you are not very far away from being a white nationalist. You only have a few more steps to go. I kind of called your movement to the far-right prematurely but I do see from this comment by you that you are going to get there eventually. Just to make sure you are not there yet?

1) Do you still believe this? https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1577
Cultures that promote education, marriage before children, and 2 parent households are going to have more wealth in America than other cultures.

You simply cannot "purchase" culture.
It's the reason why most lottery winners go bankrupt after a few years.

And it is also the reason why after 15 trillion dollars and over 50 years of welfare the % of poor has not changed with the war on poverty.

It's not economics. It is culture. And you can't buy culture.
2)Is race and IQ linked?
3)Are blacks inferior to whites?

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If this is meant to contribute to the thread would you clarify the implication?
If you hate illegal aliens so much, stop eating at restaurants that hire them and stop buying produce that is harvested by them and stop staying at hotels that employ them and stop visiting buildings that were constructed by them.

Just stop.
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I'm not concerned at all. It's in humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool.  The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
Whoa

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You don't know what that means, but it's truly better. Humans aren't.
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A true story?
One of the 1%ers is sitting at a table with an American worker and an illegal immigrant and there's $100 on the table. The 1%er snatches $99 and puts it in his pocket and tells the worker to be careful because the illegal wants to steal his dollar.

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If this is meant to contribute to the thread would you clarify the implication?
If you hate illegal aliens so much, stop eating at restaurants that hire them and stop buying produce that is harvested by them and stop staying at hotels that employ them and stop visiting buildings that were constructed by them.

Just stop.
Who are you referring to as "you"?  Your language is indicative of a personal address to someone.  Why did you express "stop" twice with a commanding tone?
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1) We should NOT be funding illegal aliens with any sort of welfare.
Evidence of this occurring?
They are including immigrant children who attend public schools.

Native born children of immigrants qualify for child welfare benefits and are often counted as "illegals on welfare".

Illegals who try to claim unemployment benefits or worker's comp for injuries on the job are threatened with deportation and denied by the courts.

2) Congress does NOT represent people that cannot vote for them. If that were true, every boy would have endless candy and every girl would own a pony, and every felon would have free prostitutes.
Evidence of illegal immigrants voting... 
I'm not aware of any evidence of illegal immigrants voting, there has been some confusion about people with green cards who are asked to register to vote when they get a driver's licence and then thinking they can vote since they were asked to register to vote, but there is no evidence that this has had any measurable effect on any elections.

or Congress representing people that do not vote? 
The U.S. Constitution requires all humans are counted in order to properly draw congressional districts.

This count includes non voters of all types.  Children, prisoners, ex-cons, and even the severely disabled.  This clearly also includes immigrants.
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THIS IS A CONDITIONAL STATEMENT.

(IFF) you hate illegal aliens so much, (THEN) stop eating at restaurants that hire them and stop buying produce that is harvested by them and stop staying at hotels that employ them and stop visiting buildings that were constructed by them.
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Snoopy: Communism?
You don't know what that means, but it's truly better. Humans aren't.
I have never rendered such a fitting explanation, concise to the point. Thank you

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They are including immigrant children who attend public schools.

Native born children of immigrants qualify for child welfare benefits and are often counted as "illegals on welfare".

Illegals who try to claim unemployment benefits or worker's comp for injuries on the job are threatened with deportation and denied by the courts.
Do mean children born in America as in legal citizens?
So basically Greyparrot has no point.
I'm not aware of any evidence of illegal immigrants voting, there has been some confusion about people with green cards who are asked to register to vote when they get a driver's licence and then thinking they can vote since they were asked to register to vote, but there is no evidence that this has had any measurable effect on any elections.
So basically he doesn't have a point there since evidence of that does not exist.
The U.S. Constitution requires all humans are counted in order to properly draw congressional districts.

This count includes non voters of all types.  Children, prisoners, ex-cons, and even the severely disabled.  This clearly also includes immigrants.
So basically he doesn't have a point.

To sum up does anything Greyparrot said was right as in the opening statement? 
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Whoa
Why are you so shocked about this anyway?
It would be where you are headed since you do support nationalism. That entails many other viewpoints that can lead to where he is headed like you might be. 
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Whoa
Why are you so shocked about this anyway?
It would be where you are headed since you do support nationalism. That entails many other viewpoints that can lead to where he is headed like you might be. 

I remember the conversation you are referring to, and I haven't properly expounded yet in that setting.  I don't "support" nationalism, in the sense that I think it ideal.  I don't find nationalism practical in a sense that a nation is inherently "good".  For an analogous example, I find multiculturalism useful in that it conveys what I consider as an accurate reflection of reality in light of morality, but I don't ever see myself "celebrating diversity", or encouraging it for its own sake.  This may not be the best explanation, but to suffice for the purported slippery slope, I view nationalism in a consequential sense in a world in which people do not agree to a universal state.  Nationalism, is morally and practically necessitated in some respects.  Disregarding nationality is irresponsible, to say the least.
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and I haven't properly expounded yet in that setting.
What do you mean? You haven't properly understood what occurred?
I don't "support" nationalism, in the sense that I think it ideal.  
But you do understand the path that you could go to right? 
I don't find nationalism practical in a sense that a nation is inherently "good". 
This is not about what is inherently is good is if this is good compared to other ideas. So do you consider you ideal of nationalism better than others ideals?
I view nationalism in a consequential sense in a world in which people do not agree to a universal state. 
What do you mean like people care about the community around them or country more than people who are not apart of that? I think that is a given but that that person can still have that stance if they do not unfairly look down at others due to this bias.
Nationalism, is morally and practically necessitated in some respects.
Example? 
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and I haven't properly expounded yet in that setting.
What do you mean? You haven't properly understood what occurred?
I just haven't taken the time to explain all of your questions, and since I think you have a different idea in application, it would take time for me to expound an in depth explanation properly presented which you could relate to.  That's all I mean.
I don't "support" nationalism, in the sense that I think it ideal.  
But you do understand the path that you could go to right? 
I don't find nationalism practical in a sense that a nation is inherently "good". 
This is not about what is inherently is good is if this is good compared to other ideas. So do you consider you ideal of nationalism better than others ideals?
I have literally explicated that I do not think of it as ideal in the previous sentence.  I think that disregarding nationality is idiotic.  There is not necessarily any "path" that you are thinking of that I might go down.
I view nationalism in a consequential sense in a world in which people do not agree to a universal state. 
What do you mean like people care about the community around them or country more than people who are not apart of that? I think that is a given but that that person can still have that stance if they do not unfairly look down at others due to this bias.
Perhaps not so much about caring towards ones community as being able to agree to a common state. It is correct to love yourself before you can love others.
Nationalism, is morally and practically necessitated in some respects.
Example? 
The founding of my country, and the respect of sovereign nations.  
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That is some seriously clever racebaiting. Kudos to you.
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I just haven't taken the time to explain all of your questions, and since I think you have a different idea in application, it would take time for me to expound an in depth explanation properly presented which you could relate to.  That's all I mean.
So basically you don't think I understand and you are waiting until you can find a context in which I can understand? Just tailor it to video games like RPG's I should get your stance.
I have literally explicated that I not think of it as ideal in the previous sentence.  I think that disregarding nationality is idiotic.
There is more to nationalism than nationality. It is an ism like capitalism and socialism. It has ideas in that.
The founding of my country, and the respect of sovereign nations.
What in nationalism does it facilitate this? 
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That is some seriously clever racebaiting. Kudos to you.
Well well. Finally commented. The more you talk the closer you get. Keep talking maybe you will get to the endpoint before the moon rises. 

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Sorry, I cant see everything through the lens of melanin like you were indoctrinated to.
Keep flipping the race bait and the race cards though, it's popular to be a victim.
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Sorry, I cant see everything through the lens of melanin like you were indoctrinated to.
Keep flipping the race bait and the race cards though, it's popular to be a victim.
Instead of taking this seriously you are accepting your fate. Don't be shocked if you agree with Richard Spencer says. I would post a video that I do think you would agree with but I don't want to be the cause of the conclusion of what you say. So go to YouTube search up white nationalists and realise how similar you are to them. I would congratulate you when you become a white nationalist but I am not a fan of them so if you are waiting for me to congratulate you don't but I will say I told you so. 
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I might actually agree with some of what Richard Spencer says while totally not buying into the melanin superiority or melanin privilege garbage.

The left can only place people in baskets. No nuance.
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I might actually agree with some of what Richard Spencer says while totally not buying into the melanin superiority or melanin privilege garbage.

The left can only place people in baskets. No nuance.
Nuance? The left has nuance the right doesn't. You saying you agree with Richard Spencer means you are pretty much there. The melanin part is not that important when that is only the context and with this statement:
I'm not concerned at all. It's in humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool.  The only people that need worry are the slow and the lazy.
Where have basically said it is "humanity's best interest to destroy inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool". Richard is brave enough to sugar-coat saying that he think blacks are inferior, unproductive people from the gene pool but guess you are too much of a coward to what you truly think. You never answered my race and IQ question. I wonder why. Maybe you afraid of actually owning up to what you are pretty much agree white nationalists on.