Universal background checks on guns

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"There exists rational, logical common sense set of reasons for humanity to put away their desire to have weapons to kill each other."

that's partially true, guns are NOT the sole way people murder each other. 
A vast majority of weapons are not purchased or acquired to kill another.

"This is obvious conclusion to mature and mentalitty balanced adult humans."

mature and mentally balanced adult humans don't kill each other therefore guns and their ownership is irrelevant.

If you remove the will, desire or reason to kill, guns and their ownership becomes irrelevant.
If you treat or cure violent mental illness, guns and their ownership becomes irrelevant.
If you remove all humans from the earth, guns become irrelevant.

root cause=people  =/= guns

solution, remove will,desire,reason to kill
treat or cure violent mental illness

How do we do that?  I don't know but we should first focus and explore for a solution.  which won't happen if it's not made a priority, which it is not.

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If 'we' i.e humanity, ban all guns {weapons } by destroyng the ones we have, and no mass-production  of guns, then some indivdduals will build them.  Why would they build them?
To commit homicide against people who can't defend themselves.  If no guns existed at one point in modern history, someone can make their own gun and use it to attack others who can't defend themselves.  The 2nd amendment is designed so people can protect themselves.  Mental help does reduce homicide, but so does arming civilians and teachers for defense.


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but so does arming civilians and teachers for defense.
More guns { wepaons } on Earth is dumb.  Humans are dumb and barbaric.  How does a dumb and barbaric humanity survive the most years forward on Earth. Not by building and dispersing guns { weapons } to more and more humans.

Why do you think USSR and USA got rid of so many hydrogen bombs? Because is was M.A.D.  Maybe you still dont grasp what M.A.D means some 30 years later.  Mutually Assured Destruction of humanity on Earth

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Not by building and dispersing guns { weapons } to more and more humans.
If you ban guns, people will get them illegally.  If you ban the production of guns, people will get those illegally.  Psycho criminals will always get guns and it's impossible for the government to stop them.  They can however, allow people who are no threat to have guns to defend against these criminals.  Also, guns provide protection for women against rapists since rapists are scared of armed females and therefore won't want to rape them if armed.  Therefore, every feminist ought to support the 2nd amendment.
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that's true guns are the great equalizer, the smallest weakest female has a chance to protect herself from the biggest baddest man, without a gun, no chance.
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is your position that one hundred percent of people who are denied a gun via background checks will run out and get one illegally? if that's not your position, wouldn't not having a gun lower the chances that someone will kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute? 
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On escalating domestic disputes, one might ask, why would someone in illegal possession of a firearm not get reported?  How sure are we that one willing to illegally possess a firearm would rely solely on legal channels to obtain a firearm?

is your position that one hundred percent of people who are denied a gun via background checks will run out and get one illegally? if that's not your position, wouldn't not having a gun lower the chances that someone will kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute? 
An additional preponderance, could the additional legal leverage against an abusive associate be used to counter the potential option to use of lethal force without resorting to it?  It ought to.  We also know that the vast majority of violent gun crimes are not fatal, as cited by the DOJ https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

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is your position that one hundred percent of people who are denied a gun via background checks will run out and get one illegally? if that's not your position, wouldn't not having a gun lower the chances that someone will kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute? 
is your position that one hundred percent of people who are denied a gun via background checks that someone won't will kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute?

what percent of people who run out and get one illegally kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute? 

how many who kill in a spontaneous act of passion domestic dispute obtain a gun illegally?

you going to play the Obama bs about if it can just save one life nonsense?  LOL

If every woman could purchase and carry a gun with no barriers, would they have a better chance of defending themselves?  seems so don't you think?

how many denied by the background check just purchase one from the black market?

these questions are impossible to answer but since many are stolen or gained through a straw purchase it sure seems to me a majority don't even bother attempting to purchase on legally.
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Article - Pittsburg Study

According to this study, over 80% of the perps possessed their firearm illegally
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D--Pirates..that's true guns are the great equalizer, the smallest weakest female has a chance to protect herself from the biggest baddest man, without a gun, no chance.

Ok so guns are the great equalizer ---isnt that a movie with Densel Washingnton?---.

So Trunpanzee are all for gun equalization for humans, and not for standard of living equalization ex health care, justice and liberty for all.

Hypocritical side of Trumpanzees and $1 Billion Dollar looser president.

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The equalizer argument is designed to appeal to liberals.  Guns provide protection against rapists for women, other criminals and a potentially tyrannical government.  Change my big boy mind if you want to.

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they live in this fantasy world that they can wave a magic wand like Harry Potter and just make them all disappear.  don't remember if it was in this thread or another, but go to the tube and search "casting resin ar15 lower"  yep you can make on in a mold.  that process will only get better and expand.  
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Of greater significance in my opinion is that kind of person lives in a fantasy world where every country does not employ firearms for lawful use. Firearms are pee shooters to the lawyer burdened with the duties of protecting a country.  Do they really need to have a complete monopoly on force?  First we need to talk about how to keep weapons that level buildings or even entire cities out of reach of lawyers, then maybe we can talk about the pee shooters.  
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that's a great point, they kill far more people than criminals ever will or have.
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The equalizer argument is designed to appeal to liberals.  Guns provide protection against rapists for women, other criminals and a potentially tyrannical government.  Change my big boy mind if you want to.
I'm here to speak truth, not change any ones mind.  The equalizer via guns is pushed by Trumpanzes and those like them.

But that is where equalizing equality ends and you have yet this truth Ive presented to you. Or worse you ignore truth and hope it is not a truth.

If it is true that Trumpanzee are hypocrits based on my given scenario, then what does that make you Alec?  Or yeah, you want to ignore that truth.
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Ok so guns are the great equalizer ---isnt that a movie with Densel Washingnton?---.

So Trunpanzee are all for gun equalization for humans, and not for standard of living equalization ex health care, justice and liberty for all.

Hypocritical side of Trumpanzees and $1 Billion Dollar looser president.

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The equalizer argument is designed to appeal to liberals. 
Equality is the reason the 14th amendment was added to the constitution by liberals, in part so that it would be harder to disarm select groups of people, with an equal recognition of rights under the law of the land.  It's not "designed to appeal" to liberals, as if the Republicans were/are throwing a bone to liberals... Assuming you view people as free and equal in respect of one another, but not in circumstance, it is liberal.   Most of the people we today call 'conservatives' are liberals.
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Most of the people we today call 'conservatives' are liberals.
Except when it comes to conserving the ecological environment that sustains humanity on Earth.

Overpopulation for the systems we have in place, could be alleviated via,

1} globally free condoms that are designed for man and woman,

2} the day after abortion pill,

3} global sex education for those most at risk of having hormone driven sex -----teenagers----,

4} a equalizer { gun } ---more wealthy do not get a better or larger gun as that defeats the purpose of equalizer---  for every person that can aim and shoot, and let the subsequent shooting frenzy expand at its natural rate,

5} global law banning all bullet proof clothing and again, wealth people are not allow to gain any disequalizing advantages,

6}  night vision googles is also a  must for all humans since they will be going out at night.

7} h,mmmm I'm forgetting something in this global population equalizer { gun } scenario....?.....

6}

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Except when it comes to conserving the ecological environment that sustains humanity on Earth.
I don't think that is a liberal thing.  I know people who would be considered conservative who have great respect for the environment, and vote accordingly.  In my experience subjects such as habitat restoration, pollution, and wildlife management are of interest to conservatives.  Overpopulation is intertwined with the great challenges humanity faces right now, and I'm surprised its not talked about more in general.