Veganism

Author: Snoopy ,

Topic's posts

Posts in total: 125
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @Alec
    So are omnivores.

    If you get your meat in a natural way, like hunting, or maybe locally raising animals, than you don't have to depend so much on the displacement of native habitat, which is an issue of serious consideration in our time with human populations reaching unprecedented levels.
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    when others are talking about meat, cows, mammals, and other animals.  I would appreciate keeping to the topic of veganism, if you can tie things in with that.
    Humans and animals have ability to feel pain. If we cared about the well-being of lets say our pets then we should also care about other animals that do feel pain. If that someone opposes this argument then that person would pretty much be okay with murder because the person didn't care about them.
    Vegans are merciless towards to the plant kingdom, and fungi are the scum between their toes.
    Plants don't feel pain. Animals pain. Are you for human torture? If not why are you for animal torture? 
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    I'm not talking about animal torture thus far.  I have mentioned that I take no issue with killing animals.
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    I'm not talking about animal torture.  
    Are you going to answer the question or do you realise how bad your position is? 
    Plants don't feel pain. Animals pain. Are you for human torture? If not why are you for animal torture? 
    I have mentioned that I take no issue with killing animals.
    So you are for animal violence?
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    See Post #26

    I have mentioned that I take no issue with killing animals.
    So you are for animal violence?
    I don't internalize it, but yeah.  I have no problem with it.
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    If you get your meat in a natural way, like hunting, or maybe locally raising animals, than you don't have to depend so much on the displacement of native habitat, which is an issue of serious consideration in our time with human populations reaching unprecedented levels.
    False. There isn't a food shortage. There is an abundance problem. This is called a problem because even when there is an abundance problem with developed countries there are still people in developed countries that do not get fed.
    I don't internalize it, but yeah.
    What is the difference between an animal and human?
    Are you for human violence? 
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    This is called a problem because even when there is an abundance problem with developed countries there are still people in developed countries that do not get fed.
    At the food shelf I volunteer at people tend to be a bit more plump then average.  That's because its a cultural thing in "developed" countries, not a problem of abundance.

  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    At the food shelf I volunteer at people tend to be a bit more plump then average.  
    So we should regulate bad diets as in pay for people to get better and you think that other food is going to be bought by people who need it? I would like to see this thing that people who have the money but don't buy because of "bit more plump" people.

    Any chance of getting a response or do you not like responding to flaws to your side?
    I don't internalize it, but yeah.
    What is the difference between an animal and human?
    Are you for human violence? 

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist

    At the food shelf I volunteer at people tend to be a bit more plump then average.  
    So we should regulate bad diets as in pay for people to get better and you think that other food is going to be bought by people who need it? I would like to see this thing that people who have the money but don't buy because of "bit more plump" people.
    Regulating diet sounds totalitarian.  I was saying that it's a cultural thing in "developed" countries, not a problem of abundance.

    Any chance of getting a response or do you not like responding to flaws to your side?
    What are you referring to, and what side am I on in your view?
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Regulating diet sounds totalitarian.  I was saying that it's a cultural thing in "developed" countries, not a problem of abundance.
    So what should be done about it?
    How about the people who can't even eat even though there is an abundance of food in developed countries?
    What are you referring to, and what side am I on in your view?
    Okay then. Simply answer the question and we will find it. That was more of a guess but I think it was reasonable given that you didn't respond and have shown earlier flaws in what you say or what you can't say because you give up defending your own side. Answer this then I will find out if my guess is correct.
    I don't internalize it, but yeah.
    What is the difference between an animal and human?
    Are you for human violence? 

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    Are you for human violence? 
    Not really, no.  I think we should try to get along with one another, and view eating humans distastefully.

  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Not really, no. 
    Why not?
    I think we should try to get along with one another, and view eating humans distastefully.
    How about getting along with animals and viewing animal violence distasteful? 
    How about answering the other question?
    What is the difference between an animal and human?

    Why can't you leave a comment when you have done adding the message? Why do you have to upload the comment then update it afterwards? You have done this consistently for it not to be a problem and it is a problem for me when I had to add another thing I had to respond to. It is not even fixing errors in your writing. It is that you missed out information that was given to me prior. 


  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    Why not?
    For one its not our place.  I am generally inclined towards Pro-Life.
    What is the difference between humans and animals
    Animals have no established social contract with humans for one.  I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live, among other things.
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    For one its generally not our place.  I am generally inclined towards Pro-Life.
    How about being "Pro-Life" to animals?
    So you are against the death penalty?
    How about harming people that break the law?
    Animals have no established social contract with humans for one.
    Pets is an example of a social contract with animals. I feed you. You can defend the house or play with me.
     I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live.
    Why?
    How about answering this? 
    Why can't you leave a comment when you have done adding the message? Why do you have to upload the comment then update it afterwards? You have done this consistently for it not to be a problem and it is a problem for me when I had to add another thing I had to respond to. It is not even fixing errors in your writing. It is that you missed out information that was given to me prior. 
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    Pets is an example of a social contract with animals. I feed you. You can defend the house or play with me
    Nah, that's friendship.  Its not the same.

  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Nah, that's friendship.  Its not the same.
    What is the difference between a social contract and a friendship?

    Just putting this here to wait for you to update your comment with the rest I ask for you to reply too. 

    How about being "Pro-Life" to animals?
    So you are against the death penalty?
    How about harming people that break the law?
     I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live.
    Why?
    How about answering this? 
    Why can't you leave a comment when you have done adding the message? Why do you have to upload the comment then update it afterwards? You have done this consistently for it not to be a problem and it is a problem for me when I had to add another thing I had to respond to. It is not even fixing errors in your writing. It is that you missed out information that was given to me prior. 

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    Why can't you leave a comment when you have done adding the message? Why do you have to upload the comment then update it afterwards? You have done this consistently for it not to be a problem and it is a problem for me when I had to add another thing I had to respond to. It is not even fixing errors in your writing. It is that you missed out information that was given to me prior. 
    Its the way I write things down, usually rather quickly as a brief distraction from the day or something like that.  You can just reply a little slower and you won't have issues in general, not just from me. 

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    My family has had a dog put down too.  It was practically crippled and had been living for years with cancer or something.  Have you ever heard of the story "old yeller"?

  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Its the way I write things down, usually rather quickly as a brief distraction from the day or something like that.  You can just reply a little slower and you won't have issues in general, not just from me.  
    How about take all the time you want in responding to my comment? I don't want whatever you call your standard when it comes to responding.
    My family has had a dog put down too.  It was crippled and had been living for years with cancer or something.  Have you ever heard of the story "old yeller"?
    Doesn't answer my questions so I will copy what I want from you here. If you do answer my question then I will answer you question:

    How about being "Pro-Life" to animals?
    So you are against the death penalty?
    How about harming people that break the law?
     I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live.
    Why?
    How about answering this? 
    Why can't you leave a comment when you have done adding the message? Why do you have to upload the comment then update it afterwards? You have done this consistently for it not to be a problem and it is a problem for me when I had to add another thing I had to respond to. It is not even fixing errors in your writing. It is that you missed out information that was given to me prior. 

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    So you are against the death penalty?
    How about harming people that break the law?
    Yeah, I am inclined against capital punishment until its effectively removed.  I am not strictly against the death penalty though, sort of like I am not strictly against incarceration in state custody, but I recognize the death penalty as unjustifiable if something like incarceration would suffice to protect society.  Retribution, or otherwise trying to justify the taking of one's life for sake of punishment is morally irreconcilable as far as I am concerned.
    and it is a problem for me
    I'll keep that in mind as best I can.
  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    How about take all the time you want in responding to my comment?
    Sometimes I do take more time depending on the subject matter.  Then I might forget, or just never get around to having the time.

  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Your stance on pro-life and animal violence is contradictory.
    You being for pro-life
    I am generally inclined towards Pro-Life.
    You being for animal violence
    I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live, among other things.
    How can you be for pro-life when you are for the death of life?

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live, among other things.
    How can you be for pro-life when you are for the death of life?

    I don't understand what you are saying here.  I have killed many creatures, and it never got any easier to me.  People should experience something like that and their relationship with the world they live in.  I believe a full appreciation is something that should be experienced rather than just worded.
  • TheRealNihilist
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    Debates: 44
    Forum posts: 4,909
    4
    8
    11
    TheRealNihilist avatar
    TheRealNihilist
    --> @Snoopy
    Nothing what you said earlier made it clear that it wasn't a contradiction. Try again.
    Your stance on pro-life and animal violence is contradictory.
    You being for pro-life
    I am generally inclined towards Pro-Life.
    You being for animal violence
    I think everyone should kill an animal for food once in their life, and feel a full respect for its will to live, among other things.
    How can you be for pro-life when you are for the death of life?

  • Snoopy
    Snoopy avatar
    Debates: 1
    Forum posts: 1,323
    2
    2
    4
    Snoopy avatar
    Snoopy
    --> @TheRealNihilist
    Nothing what you said earlier made it clear that it wasn't a contradiction. Try again.
    Your stance on pro-life and animal violence is contradictory.
    You being for pro-life

    I am generally inclined towards Pro-Life.
    You being for animal violence
    Sure, have no problem with it.  I have dominion over animals.
    How can you be for pro-life when you are for the death of life?

    So, I'm still not relating to the question.  It will have to die sooner or later, and it would be unnecessarily painful not to swiftly dispatch a critter before you start preparing it.