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    I would like to know an argument that makes abortion a good thing. Make sure to help me follow the train of path you are going through like tell me what you mean by person-hood or conscience so that I don't need to ask it and I can go straight to problems or agreements.

    Personally I am not for abortion if this was a perfect world but because it isn't. I am for abortion. Mainly I am for legal abortion because illegal abortion will occur and that would have issues on its own but in a perfect world and now I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.

    Since I have given my personal stance. You can decide to talk about your argument for abortion preferably outside law and possibly talk about if it was in a perfect world or talk about my position. I would prefer the first but you can do what you want that discusses abortion.
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    What do you mean by good? That us a very subjective term. 
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    Also did you have to bring this to the phylosophy thread?
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    What do you mean by good? That us a very subjective term. 
    Always on the defensive. I see. This is not part of my reply.

    As in if we value human life to a point where don't want it to end and would do anything in our power to prevent that. I am sure I already answered that here:
    I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.
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    Also did you have to bring this to the phylosophy thread?
    Next time can you have two questions on one forum post? Thanks.

    Don't want to talk about the legality about it. More so morals like I am sure I implied with this:
    You can decide to talk about your argument for abortion preferably outside law
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    possibly talk about if it was in a perfect world or talk about my position.
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    I would like to know an argument that makes abortion a good thing. 
    Literally the first thing you said.

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    Literally the first thing you said.
    Yes and later on I said this:

    I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.
    What you should have gathered was that I consider abortion wrong so bad. Non-abortion good so a right thing to do. 
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    Please rigorously define human and murder. Then we can examine your stated goals.
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    Please rigorously define human and murder. Then we can examine your stated goals.
    Human as in something with DNA that is alive. Specifically part of the homosapien speices. 
    Murder is committing an action to another person which results them in losing their life.
    Person and human are the same to me. 
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    Abortion is a good thing because now I can CHOOSE to live the kind of life I WANT. I can CHOOSE whether or not I WANT to get fat and pregnant, which would destroy my figure and sex appeal, and I can CHOOSE to do with MY BODY what I WANT.

    Girls just WANT to have fun! Pregnancy is INCONVENIENT and a total buzz kill.
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    Guess you can't escape irrational people like you. Wasn't really addressing what I said. Care to try? 
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    Sometimes the hardest thing for me to do is not to make fun of people.

    I don't think anyone really appreciates that.

    Oh well. Pissing in the wind.

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    Sometimes the hardest thing for me to do is not to make fun of people.
    That is funny. I'll just reply with making fun of people that advocate for abortions:
    Abortion is a good thing because now I can CHOOSE to live the kind of life I WANT. I can CHOOSE whether or not I WANT to get fat and pregnant, which would destroy my figure and sex appeal, and I can CHOOSE to do with MY BODY what I WANT.

    Girls just WANT to have fun! Pregnancy is INCONVENIENT and a total buzz kill.
    Also how many times you insults people's intelligence directly or indirectly. It is not difficult for you to make fun of people.  
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    Perhaps since this is the philosophy forum the question should be is abortion moral and/or ethical to avoid the political or religious aspect of the argument. 
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    Quite the contrary, it is difficult for me NOT to make fun of people.

    And if you couldn't tell, I was making fun in that post that you called me irrational over.


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    Oh, I like this one... abortion is good for the environment. Population control in the name of sustainability!

    The kind of door that type of thinking opens for evik... gyeh...










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    @Poly-Witch

    Perhaps since this is the philosophy forum the question should be is abortion moral and/or ethical to avoid the political or religious aspect of the argument.
    I thought that made it clear here:
    but in a perfect world and now I still take the stance abortion is wrong if wrong is we don't murder humans.
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    Personally I am not for abortion if this was a perfect world but because it isn't
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     You can decide to talk about your argument for abortion preferably outside law
    This pretty much says I would like to talk about abortion outside law and I would like to know in a perfect world would you still be okay with abortion. 
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    Quite the contrary, it is difficult for me NOT to make fun of people.

    And if you couldn't tell, I was making fun in that post that you called me irrational over.
    Why are you still here? Haven't you got something better to do or you really want attention?
    Oh, I like this one... abortion is good for the environment. Population control in the name of sustainability!

    The kind of door that type of thinking opens for evik... gyeh...
    Irrational comment by an irrational person.


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    It's not nice to be a bully, Omar. I find you hating me without a cause to in fact be what is irrational.


    I believe that my first post was on topic, and certainly reflects a worldview that is accepted by abortion activists all round.




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    I find you hating me without a cause to in fact be what is irrational.
    If you find telling the truth about you "hating" on you then I can't imagine how actual hate would trigger you.
    I believe that my first post was on topic, and certainly reflects a worldview that is accepted by abortion activists all round.
    No it wasn't. I wanted an actual argument for abortion or critique of my stance not a troll who has nothing better to do. There is a difference and I hope you see it. 
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    I am for abortion in specific situations. Rape, maybe underage pregnancies, at risk pregnancies. But not just so woman can fix a mistake they made. I understand it is a woman's body and they should be able to make this choice but men can't carry children so woman have to have more accountability in this area. Understand that men can't make these choices. At the end of the day this topic is too nuanced to firmly side either way.
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    Charity.

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    In a perfect world no one would need one. I have no issue with abortion as a choice for anyone who wants one. I would rather people terminate a pregnancy then have a child that can't handle having for whatever reason. 21 weeks is a more than reasonable cut off for elective abortion. As long as no one is forced to have them I don't care what choices they make. 
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    An appendix qualifies as human under your definition on. Please adjust accordingly
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    An appendix qualifies as human under your definition on. Please adjust accordingly
    How does an appendix have life? 
    My conditions for life would be something that can grow, reproduce and has the capability of death.