Are the JEWS upset that the CHRISTIANS stole their Yahweh God?

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    mopac,

    YOUR DISRESPECTFUL QUOTE TO JESUS:  "Verse numbers did not exist until relatively modern times."

    We are in MODERN TIMES, the bibles are in modern times, therefore like the bibles, show respect to Jesus and add the chapter and verse to your biblical verses, otherwise, it looks like you are making passages up on your own!

    YOUR QUOTE: "Jesus Christ said to those crucifying Him, "Forgive them, they know not what they do."

    Using Jesus' words above, you know what you do in running away from my post #8 to you! Don't you realize that Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from his inspired word without addressing it? (Hebrews 4:13). Are you embarrassed in what the passage states in the name of our Jesus?


    YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE: "I am baptized and Chrismated in the very Apostolic Church. I am an Orthodox Christian."

    Okay, then take your baptism, Christ mated in an Apostolic Church as an Orthodox Christian  and address my post #8 to you INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY FROM IT LIKE ROSENDS WOULD DO!


    Mopac, the members of DebateArt are watching you run away from my post #8 to you, why do you run in the name of Jesus?


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    mopac,

    YOUR SATANIC QUOTE: "Poe's Law."

    How dare you infer that I am operating under Poe's law?!  Who in the hell do you think you are? I am a TRUE Christian that has forgotten more about the Bible than you will ever learn from it!

    If anyone is using Poe's Law, it is you because you can't address my post #8 to you, other than to RUN AWAY FROM IT, therefore you are  NOT A CHRISTIAN, but one that acts like one as you run away from Jesus' inspired words as you slap Him in the face.  BLASPHEME!


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  • Mopac
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    If you don't really know the bible, why are you shouting down at everyone? If you knew the bible, you would recognize my quotations.

    I do not feel pressured by your egging me on. Quite the contrary.

    It is written by Saint James the just and brother of the Lord in his namesake epistle, chapter 4 verse 6...

    As well as the holy, glorious and all-laudable Apostle Peter in his namesake 1st epistle chapter 5 verse 5...
     

    "God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble."


    It is also written of by the Apostle John the theologian in his first namesake epistle, chapter 4, verse 20...


    "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"


    So in you hating me, I can discern that the truth is not in you.


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    MOPAC,

    YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "So in you hating me, I can discern that the truth is not in you"

    Your quote above is Fake Christian excuse # 5938237887593 to NOT ADDRESS Jesus' inspired words because you cannot do it.   Listen up, the truth is most certainly in the passage 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 that you continue to RUN AWAY FROM!

    Whats your next Fake Christian Excuse going to be? Huh?  How about you can’t answer my post #8 to you because it is Saturday, and you are wearing a white T-shirt with a blue shirt, and the sky is cloudy instead of sunny, therefore you can’t answer it right now. LOL!

    Why do you continue to slap Jesus in the face, when he stated that you are to DEFEND our faith! "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9) 

    You fail to realize that DebateArt are watching you continue to RUN AWAY from Jesus’ inspired word in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, let alone, Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY as well! (Hebrews 4:13)

    How totally embarrassing for you to show others that you are nothing but a FAKE CHRISTIAN, in name only!


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    From the acts of the Apostles chapter 7 verses 51-60


    "Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
    Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
    Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

    When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
    And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
    And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
    And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep."



    So what do you think a real Christian looks like, Thomas?

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    I agree that Bro is a flamebaiting troll, but 1 Thess does make intersting reading:

    2:14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.

    It's not quite Martin Luther standard anti-semitism, but it's close!  It is argued that the passage was inserted later and not in the original letter written by Paul, but even so it shows that relations between Jews and Christians were not cordial and the charge that the Jews killed jesus goes right back to the beginning Christianity.

    I can't help surmising that Paul was concerned that the Jews had personal experience of Jesus and Jesus' teaching and so would know that Paul was peddling a distorted version.  It was imperative for Paul to discredit Jewish criticism of his new religion so he cast them as actual enemies of Jesus.   If so, in order to promote his 'Pauline religion', Paul single handedly invented anti-semitism.

    It may be significant that the Ebionites were Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah, but did not consider him divine in any way and considered Paul an apostate.  Honestly, if Doctor Who was real there is only one time and place I'd want to go.  I'd love to see what was really going on, because while it's great fun to speculate wildly, it's damn frustrating!   



     
     


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    mopac,

    At your embarrassment you have been dancing around the passage in question many times with non sequiturs ad infinitum. Here, let me make it as simple as possible for you, okay? Here is the passage that you continue to RUN AWAY from shown below. I want you to step out on a limb, if you can,  and actually use your own words and thinking instead of wimpy bible passages to the topic at hand.  At least try it for a change to show the members you have your own thinking, okay?

    "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15) 

    QUESTION:  Why did the inspired word of Jesus in the Bible disparage the Jews in the manner shown in the passage above?


    You asked what does a TRUE Christian look like? All you have to do is view my manly photo above my name on the left with bible in hand, praise!  In what ever you look like, that you Satanically represent in this forum, is NOT what a TRUE Christian looks like, understood? Sure you do.


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    YOUR QUOTE" "I agree that Bro is a flamebaiting troll, but 1 Thess does make intersting reading:"

    Tell me, how can I allegedly be a flame baiting troll when I bring forth an actual biblical passage, that obviously you and mopac have never seen before, and where it is not my fault that the fake Christians that are ever so trying to address it, cannot do it and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, you included?  

    "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15) 



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    Tell me, how can I allegedly be a flame baiting troll when I bring forth an actual biblical passage, that obviously you and mopac have never seen before, and where it is not my fault that the fake Christians that are ever so trying to address it, cannot do it and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, you included?  
    Being a flamebaiting troll is less about subject than about style.

    As I pointed out to Castin, the fact you are a troll doesn't mean those verses in Thessalonians aren't of interest,  because although they aren't the only anti-jew passage in the nt, they are particularly explicit.

    I am not a Christian - I am an atheist with an interest in the origins and development of religion, particularly Judaism, Christianity and Islam.   I suggest you re-read my post #56


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    The answer is in the next verse


    "Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost."

    Under Roman law, Jews were not allowed to proselytize or accept converts. Christians attracted a lot of negative attention because they both proselytized and made converts.

    So the earliest persecuters of the church were the non-Christian Jews, because they saw it as a survival issue. All of the Jews would be blamed for what these Christians were doing. 

    As it was written in the Apostle John's gospel(chapter 11 verses 49-53)...

    "And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
    Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
    And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
    And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

    Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death."


    So why did the bible passage(actually written by Saint Paul) disparage the Jews in the scripture you pointed out? Because they were supposed to be a light to the gentiles, and instead they put the light under a bushell. 


    Now when I say, what do you think a real Christian looks like, I am not talking about physical appearances.

    You keep calling me unchristian, but as I said, you are not in communion with the apostolic church. So if you want to keep going that route, know that I am unphased by your accusations.



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    There is nothing Christian about hating Jews, Thomas is missing the context.

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    I agree that Christian dogma does not mandate hating Jews.   The Thessalonian passage acknowledges that the Jews were hostile towards Christianity, but dogma is 'Love thy enemy'.
      
    Matthew 5:44 "But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"

    Theologically, I don't think Bro has a leg to stand on!

    But anti-semitism does exist and Christianity played a part in establishing it by teaching that God had turned away from the Jews and towards the gentile world.   The destruction of Israel as a Jewish state around 70AD meant that Jews were outsiders everywhere, and hence an easy target and convenient scapegoat everywhere.   Theologically unsound it may be, but in practice passages such as 1Thess superficially put the jews 'beyond the pale' and justified oppressing them.

    Big subject, too big for a forum post to cover in one go!

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    YOUR QUESTIONABLE QUOTE: “So why did the bible passage(actually written by Saint Paul) disparage the Jews in the scripture you pointed out? Because they were supposed to be a light to the gentiles, and instead they put the light under a bushell.”

    How could the Jews begin to be the the light upon the Gentiles, when Jesus Himself stated that his followers are not to be in contact with them in the first place to be that light?!  

    Jesus' final instructions to his disciples couldn’t be any more specific: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)



    YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: “Now when I say, what do you think a real Christian looks like, I am not talking about physical appearances.”

    Barring the fact that you didn’t follow through with your claim above in what you really meant, then you used the wrong connotation in using “what does a Christian look like?” This is why I made bold the words “look like”  because of it being questionable.  You could have used the term; “What does a Christian represent and acts like” instead.  I am not responsible for any Christian using bad english, therefore since you are representing our faith, I suggest that you get up to date with your English speaking skills so Jesus won’t be embarrassed about his Christian representives like you.


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    YOUR QUOTE: "I agree that Christian dogma does not mandate hating Jews."

    JESUS' INSPIRED BIBLICAL WORD: Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) 

    BIBLE DISPARAGING JEWS QUOTE: "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15) "


    Dogma or not, and since Jesus' words are flawless, then when Jesus' inspired word states with specificity that the Jews killed Jesus and the prophets, and displease God, then the Christian is to accept this fact because even mopac nor I could never state that we know more than Jesus' words, period!  

    DO THE SIMPLE MATH!


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    What are you implying?  Just say the simple math.  Please show your work.

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    YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: "What are you implying?  Just say the simple math.  Show your work"

    Are you the pot calling the kettle black? Show ME in what religion you follow or not, along with other things about you since you have absolutely NOTHING to say in your biography, but yet want others to SHOW THEIR WORK!  In you not comprehending my statement, I did show the work relative to keithprossers initial statement as being fundamentally wrong with Biblical verses. Get it? Huh?


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    Christianiry was illegal for the next few centuries, so it isn't like it was any different for Christiams.

    And The.Church is not "the.gentiles". The church is Jew and Gentile. The Church is Israel, that is certainly what we believe.

    Certainly though, no perversion of scripture makes it acceptable Christian behavior to do anything but show charity to others, especially those who are in err.




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    Jesus' final instructions to his disciples couldn’t be any more specific: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)



    You know that at the end of the gospel sccording to Saint Matthew(actually chapter 28), Jesus said..

    "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen"



    I don't believe you are a real Christian or even trying to be one. I think you are pretending to be a Christian in order to make Christians or Christianity look bad.

    If you are trying to be a Christian for real, I suggest you find an Orthodox Church and talk to the presbyter.

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    NOW YOU ARE STATING THAT OUR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF?!


    BROTHER D'S POST:   “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)

    MOPAC'S POST:   "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen" (Matthew 28: 18-20)

    My post explicitly states that JESUS STATED that His disciples are not to preach to the Gentiles or Samaratans, but instead, only go to the lost sheep of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Supporting this proposition, Jesus stated: He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)

    Now you go and ruin my post by bringing forth a BLATANT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION of Jesus now stating that His followers are to go and teach all nations, which runs contrary to Him stating that they are to go only to the House of Israel, and barring the fact of His disciples are not to preach to the Gentiles and Samaritans!  ( Matthew 10:5)

    Mopac, are you trying to make me lose my Christian faith? Huh? Were you sent here by Satan Himself that allows you to try and spin doctor Jesus' word to the benefit of Satan?  

    Mopac, what is going to be your next ungodly Satanic apologetic spin to the topic at hand?




    YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: "I don't believe you are a real Christian or even trying to be one. I think you are pretending to be a Christian in order to make Christians or Christianity look bad."

    WRONG!  Just because you cannot address my posts as a minion of Satan regarding certain passages and narratives, is no reason whatsoever to call me in not being a Christian! BLASPHEME!  I am a TRUE Christian, that reads ALL of the Bible, therefore running across certain passages and narratives that are troubling to our faith. Whereas you on the other hand as shown, you remove one foot to insert the other ad infinitum in trying to apologetically spin doctor said troubling passages and narratives away in the name of Satan!  



    YOUR UNCHRISTIANLIKE QUOTE: "If you are trying to be a Christian for real, I suggest you find an Orthodox Church and talk to the presbyter."

    As explicitly shown, I am a TRUE Christian for real, and if anyone is to find a church that can help them with their Devil Speak in showing bible contradictions, bringing forth meaningless non sequiturs in the name of Jesus, and by not accepting Jesus' exact words, IT IS YOU THAT SHOULD FIND HELP WITH A PRESBYTER!


    Mopac, you are getting real close to committing the drastic Unpardonable Sin, and for that, I am truly sorry!


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    This is not how Christians conduct themselves.

    Repent.
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    NOW YOU ARE STATING THAT OUR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF?!

    That is what you are doing by pulling a passage out of context and falsely calling it the last command Jesus made to his disciples.


    My quotation comes from the same Gospel. 

    You have repeatedly shown in this topic that you don't read your bible.

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    YOUR INSIPID QUOTE: "This is not how Christians conduct themselves. Repent."

    How Christians ARE NOT to conduct themselves, as embarrassingly and drastically shown by you, is to RUN AWAY from not being able to address the inspired word of Jesus as shown in my post #69 to you!  Don't you realize that Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from his faith? (Hebrews 4:13) Are you not embarrassed over this Satanic act of yours, and you want to be called a Christian, are you kidding? LOL!


    You continue to RUN AWAY from our Bible's true inspired words from Jesus, when it dictates that you are to defend it, as shown in the following passages:  "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5). "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)



    REGRESSING, HOW DARE YOU POSIT THAT I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, WHEN IN TURN, YOU BLATANTLY RUN AWAY FROM JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS IN MY POST #69 TO YOU!  CAN YOU SPELL H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?  SURE YOU CAN, SATAN INCARNATE!


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    Satan is literally the accuser.  You are going around accusing others.


    Before anyone called you a fake Christian, you were accusing others of being fake Christians, unjustly I might add.


    Truly you are judged by your measure.


    Where is Satan here? It should be obvious.

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    Even the devil quotes scripture  As is shown in the temptation of Jesus in the desert.
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    You have only returned to remove one foot to insert the other, AGAIN!  WHY?

    YOUR UNGODLY INEPT QUOTES: " That is what you are doing by pulling a passage out of context and falsely calling it the last command Jesus made to his disciples.

    "My quotation comes from the same Gospel." 

    "You have repeatedly shown in this topic that you don't read your bible."

    It matters NOT whether it is the first or last command ever spoken by Jesus, nor if it is within the same gospel, because EVERY, and I repeat, EVERY inspired word of His is without fail, FLAWLESS (Proverbs 30:5), do you understand this simple biblical axiom? Huh?  Therefore regarding Matthew 10:5 verse Matthew 15:24, you have shown the direct inspired word of Jesus to be CONTRADICTING, PERIOD!  

    Mopac, you have done nothing but grasp for the proverbial straws in your vain attempt to rewrite Jesus true words with your ungodly Devil Speak, and for this, you will pay upon Judgment Day for sure!  “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, THE DETESTABLE, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)

    Mopac, you are no more a Christian than Satan, of whom you represent within this forum!


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