There Needs to Be A Better Banning System

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  • SupaDudz
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    There has been many times that people have gotten away for saying homophobic and insulting terms and other are banned for saying lighter things overall and that really should not be considered a warning

    Poly has gotten away with homophoic slurs and direct insults while KingLaddy, some of what RM says, and me have been victims of unlawful bans.

    I call upon a moderation to develop a better scale of warning and non warns. What Poly is allowed to say and the severity is bullshit
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    Poor widdle Supa got banned once.
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    what do you suggest?
  • Dr.Franklin
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    its all about reporting
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    I think being Religious as in Christian pretty much should be banable but since that isn't the stance that bsh1 takes then I can't do anything.

    List of reasons why Chrisitanity should be bannable but can't due to the open platform that the moderators want it to be:

    • Can't condemn slavery that was permitted and has yet to be excused in the Bible.
    • Women subjugation
    • Homophobia (the very thing SupaDudz is stating to enforce even though the most common offenders of this are in fact Chrisitans like himself)
    So yeah.

    This kind of similar to Twitter where if they lets say added a functionality which bans white nationalists this would of course target right wingers. Kind of like this because if we really wanted to condemn women subjugation, homophobia and slavery we would be removing Religious people that are more common on the right than left.

    Since this isn't going to be enforced nor even applied I will leave it at that. 

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    • Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8
    • And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. Corinthians 13:13
    • Do everything in love. 1 Corinthians 16:14
    • Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Ephesians 4:2
    • Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8 
    • There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.We love because he first loved us. 1 John 4: 18-19
    • Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12
    • Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8
    • Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Romans 12:9

    Bible verses about love and family, how should Christian be a bannable offense
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    Bible verses about love and family, how should Christian be a bannable offense
    Old Testament and New Testament on slavery. I'll quote 
    Exodus 21:8
    If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
    That was the Old Testament.
    New Testament:
    Ephesians 6:5
    Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

    Ephesians 6:6
    Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

    Ephesians 6:7
    With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

    Ephesians 6:8
    Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
    Not a single verse states that slavery is morally evil or bad. 
    Bible verses about love and family, how should Christian be a bannable offense
    Based on these quotes:
    • Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8
    • And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13
    • Do everything in love. 1 Corinthians 16:14
    • Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Ephesians 4:2
    • Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8 
    • There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.We love because he first loved us. 1 John 4: 18-19
    • Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs. Proverbs 10:12
    • Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 1 John 4:8
    • Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Romans 12:9
    Not a single verse commands any Christians to be loving as clearly seen by the verses here nor does it condemn slavery. Any chance of finding a verse that condemns slavery or are you keep going to give me metaphors from the Bible that doesn't actually address my contentions? 
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    Above
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    This is bigotry at its purest. Why should christianity and conservativism be banned while liberals and gays stay? We need a balance on this site.

    Classic Liberal Move

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    I suggest a varying degree system of words, phrases, which are considered SEVERE, MODERATE, and LIGHT

    Light are words that are small and don't pack much. This would be a light warn
    Moderate words are words that have meaning and can be cause for an official warn
    Severe words result in a strike/ban

    4 light warns=1 moderate warn
    3 moderate warns= 1 official warn

    3 official warns=strike
    3 strikes=5 day ban
    6 strikes=1 month ban
    9 strikes= perma banned

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    This is bigotry at its purest. Why should christianity and conservativism be banned while liberals and gays stay? We need a balance on this site.
    I have clearly laid the main problems of Christianity if we care about homophobia, women subjugation and slavery. Instead of actually debunking my claims you instead decide to name call. You are not arguing against me instead calling me names. That is not how you tell me how I am wrong.

    Want to actually try and defend Christianity or do you want to call me a bigot for clearly representing Christianities stance on slaves? I would be a bigot if I dislike differing viewpoints generally. Given that I speak about more than just Relgion and it isn't common that I engage in opinions I do dislike I can't be called a bigot. I would have to more on the side of disliking other people's opinions instead of liking their opinions or have no stance. You would have to show how I am a bigot instead of calling me it if this was about if I was a bigot. It isn't and do try to provide a rebuttal.  
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    Discrimating someone based off religion is bigotry. You removing Christian people is discrimination. Therefore it is bigotry
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    Discrimating someone based off religion is bigotry. You removing Christian people is discrimination. Therefore it is bigotry
    Guess you are against removing harassers (the very thing you are arguing for here(Contradiction)), doxxers from the site. Noted.
    Any argument or can you not defend the very Religion you are apart of? 
  • SupaDudz
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    You're assuming all Christian are homophobic and want to ban them all. Bigotry at its finest

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    You're assuming all Christian are homophobic and want to ban them all. Bigotry at its finest
    Chrisitanity. There is a difference between Christians and Christianity. 

    Correction to this 
    "I think being Religious as in Christian pretty much should be banable but since that isn't the stance that bsh1 takes then I can't do anything."

    Christianity is bad. 

    Guess you are a bigot to homophobic people even though you commit a special pleading fallacy to the book your hold dear. 
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    You are not allowed to restrict people's freedom of speech and religion in America just because of your political ideology. You are a bigot toward other religions because of your belief. Banning Christian and Christianity is discrimation. Proof that you are a bigot
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    You are not allowed to restrict people's freedom of speech and religion in America just because of your political ideology.
    Given that cults and Religion are pretty much the same thing. When cults do break a law that is lets say kidnapping, murdering or child exploitation. Freedom of Religion/cults go out the window and in comes in jail and sentencing of cult leaders and acolytes.
    You are a bigot toward other religions because of your belief. Banning Christian and Christianity is discrimation. Proof that you are a bigot
    Christianity hasn't outright said it is against slavery. That is one reason why those ideas shouldn't be spread. 

    Are you going to address how Christianity is pro-slavery, pro-women subjugation and anti-homosexuality?   
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    Not a single verse commands any Christians to be loving

    Really?-
    Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Ephesians 4:2



    But was slavery in the Bible the same as harsh slavery? For example, slaves and masters are addressed in Paul’s epistles. The term “slave” in Ephesians 6:5 is better translated “bondservant.” The Bible in no way gives full support to the practice of bondservants, who were certainly not paid the first century equivalent of the minimum wage. 




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    First, let me say that Poly has certainly not gotten away with any misconduct. She has been regularly banned for things she has said on this site--this is public knowledge. 

    Second, you, RM, and KL have not been victims of "unlawful" bans. Your bans were in full compliance with the COC, and came after warnings. In KL's case, they requested to be banned.

    Third, any user who accrues a large enough number of warnings and temp-bans will eventually be banned. Moderation is continuing to monitor those individuals with a long history of misconduct, and, where appropriate, will inform those members of impending perma-bans should they refuse to improve their conduct.

    Ultimately, this is kind of a Sword of Damocles situation. It is never easy to determine when conduct rises to a level where a warning or ban is called for. Those have to be decisions that are carefully evaluated. However, it is easy to criticize when one (a) is not the decision-maker and (b) is not privy to the numerous conversations moderation has had with problematic members or the warnings that have been issued.

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    its all about reporting
    This is true in a sense. Moderation does not generally act on content which has not been reported. This is why it is so important that members report misconduct wherever they encounter it. 
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    So did you report it? now hearing bsh1
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    I suggest a varying degree system of words, phrases, which are considered SEVERE, MODERATE, and LIGHT
    That's not really practicable. The same word may carry a different connotation and different weight in different situations. And, people interpret the same words as having different levels of severity, so scaling words would actually create more ground for disagreement. And, not all words could be accounted for. Without accounting for all words in advance, moderation could be accused of ex post facto or capricious punishment if it were to add words to the scale/list only after they were used. And, this policy could have the de facto impact of legalizing "light" or "moderate" insults. And, finally, this makes moderation more like a math equation that excludes important human considerations.

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    Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Ephesians 4:2
    In love. You would have to be in love in order to be commanded to do that. If you are not in love that is not a command and my earlier statement there is no command to be loving is correct until you have a verse for it. 
    But was slavery in the Bible the same as harsh slavery?
    Was Jewish internment camps as bad as immigration camps in the US? Lol. They are still internment camps like how slavery is still slavery.
    For example, slaves and masters are addressed in Paul’s epistles. The term “slave” in Ephesians 6:5 is better translated “bondservant.” The Bible in no way gives full support to the practice of bondservants, who were certainly not paid the first century equivalent of the minimum wage. 
    Okay then. Blacks who were enslaved were also bond-servants. Instead of supplying them with money they instead supplied them with shelter so that they can profit of their backs. 
    The Bible in no way gives full support to the practice of bondservants
    What were we talking about? Bondservants or slavery? 
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    Your supposed to love each-other in general,not literarily

    For example

    -"Mark 12:31 (ASV) The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

    It doesn't mean love like sexual attractiveness,but being nice,etc.


    Was Jewish internment camps as bad as immigration camps in the US?
    No. Sorry AOC is wrong 100%, and those "camps",where AOC provided no evidence, the laws for these was put under Clinton and Obama

    Any evidence Biblical slavery was worse than the harsh slavery which referred to 17-19th century America's slavery. 

    Again, were these "slaves" treated poorly, how do you define slavery. 

    What were we talking about? Bondservants or slavery? 
    In a way,both but most likely bondservants

    The Bible is love,not immoral, so your argument is wrong and like what Supa said: Banning someone on religion is bigotry
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    Your supposed to love each-other in general,not literarily
    Guess Christianity doesn't even advocate for love. Thank you for telling me that.
    -"Mark 12:31 (ASV) The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."
    Finally you have shown a quote that does show Christianity support love but not for all. Now I know why Evangelicals who are mostly Republican support foreign wars. Why should I love my neighbor?
    No. Sorry AOC is wrong 100%, and those "camps",where AOC provided no evidence, the laws for these was put under Clinton and Obama
    Not important. The analogy was an analogy. You haven't said how the analogy is wrong simply stated you disagree with terms I used. Tell me what is a camp?
    Any evidence Biblical slavery was worse than the harsh slavery which referred to 17-19th century America's slavery. 

    Again, were these "slaves" treated poorly, how do you define slavery. 
    Having humans as property. Bondservants is human property therefore Christianity supports slaves even when you try to change the words. 
    The Bible is love,not immoral, so your argument is wrong and like what Supa said: 
    If I said The Bible is hate and immoral we would be going no where. Do you actually have an argument? 
    Banning someone on religion is bigotry
    What do you think of Trump's Muslim ban? 
    What do you think of LGBTQ people not being able to be in the army?
    What do you think of Antifa?
    What do you think of socialists?
    What do you think of communists?
    What do you think of Democrats?