Evil does not exist (from the monks of Mt Athos)

Heretics, God says he created it.

Just as a spoiled child sees evil in being confined to their room for behaving wrongly, so does the righteous judgement of God appear evil to those who are unrepentant and on the receiving end of it.

Why you no rissen.

God said he created evil.

The Duality within creation will always exist as long as the worlds of God exist....which is two sides of the same coin. Duality must exist for creation to exist as it is. Duality means two opposing states or forces (good and evil, cold and hot, light and darkness, alkaline and acidic, push and pull ect ect) and this is what controls creation as a whole from the very beginning (even apart from morality, two opposing forces creating a balance between each other), this creates contrast and separation apart from singular state of the Creator and without it there would be no creation period. While evil is not a created thing or object (meaning the Bible is wrong), it is more of what can be done in any given moment. It's the potential through individual actions is what creates an evil outcome (the potential of duality).

Actions equal what can be labeled as evil, not that God creates evil but the potential for creating evil God can be blamed for, because of the reality of duality in creation. So while God can be blamed for the potential of evil, God cannot be blamed for the individual actions of evil, two different things. We have the potential for evil, but we also have the potential for good, or what can subdue evil in any given moment so there is individual responsibility. Is God exempt from being blamed for evil? no of course not on one level, what God is exempt from is individual choices because in an environment where both good and evil can thrive choices are what determines the outcome. So while God is responsible for duality, the individual soul is responsible for what choices are made in that environment. Self restraint is an individual choice, in spirituality one must choose the greater over the weaker.

Creation is inherently dualistic, that is a defining characteristic of creation, I can agree with that.

Evil takes form in creation, because deceptions and illusions exist as deceptions and illusions. They exist, though it is the part that doesn't exist that defines them. The perception of evil is what is real.

I can agree that God created the potential for evil by giving us the freedom to choose.

Meningitis bacteria have no heart, pure or otherwise.  But the are real, thry are part of 'theTruth'.   Tell me, would you tell the mother of a baby with meningitis "The righteous judgement of God appear evil to those who are unrepentant and on the receiving end of it."

Perhaps you would, as you clearly beieve it is the case.

Of course not all that is evil is natural...  much evil is done by men with bad thoughts and'impure hearts'.  But why bring a god into it?

Mopac - you don't have to defend your god against any charge of creating  or permitting evil to me.   Your god is exonerated from all charges relating to evil by virtue that... there are no gods.

Believe it or not, (another argument) the human body and it's condition is based upon cause and effect, baby or not. That's how this part of creation is ruled. It's not evil or good, it's cause vs effect. This takes place on many levels, this realm was never supposed to be perfect. 

Chemistry and physics rule this dimension. They are what make something or eliminates something. However, these conditions only exist because of God. 

Unfortunately, the consequences of other people's sin does effect the world. If a few greedy industrialists pump an immeasurable amount of smoke in the air, this is going to effect those around who have to breathe that air. When governments declare war, innocents suffer!

We in the Orthosox Church see this as the consequence of Adam's transgression, that we inherit this big mess. Not the guilt as taught by the Latin Church and some protestants, but the mess. This is the environment we live in.

But you do not deny the existence of God, you admit that The Ultimate Reality exists. That is a confession that God exists.

We don't inherit Adam's transgression. Adam and Eve were symbolic of mankind as a whole not individuals. That means we don't pay for their mistakes, what it means is that we battle and endure their weaknesses as humans not their specific actions as recorded. 

It sounds like in some way, you have still found it to be true that we inherit the mess.

You cling to that chop logic like a drowning man clings to a straw.  I suppose you will never realise that it isn't so.   I won't argue the point - not because I think you are right but because you have shown yourself to be incorrigible.

"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened"

I will not do you and others a disservice by compromising to your folly. If you believe there is Ultimate Reality, you believe God exists. You are not an atheist, you are simply prideful.

Who wrote this drivel? The ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages who wrote your book of fiction?

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MOPAC,

YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE THAT DOES NOT ANSWER WHY YOU RUN AWAY FROM JESUS' TRUE WORDS: "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

Once again you RUN AWAY from your total bible ignorance as I have embarrassingly shown you in my post #18 above!  In you showing us in how ignorant you truly are regarding the scriptures, is an ongoing problem for you, of which no one will take you seriously in the future as your word becomes totally moot.

As I have easily shown ONCE AGAIN in my post #18 above, your blatant bible ignorance is without bounds, whereas Satan is certainly smiling in your behalf, but Jesus is probably just shaking His head in disgust towards you. (Hebrews 4:13)

Mopac, to save yourself further embarrassment here at DebateArt, maybe it is time for you to change your moniker, or maybe take a break, and then revisit DebateArt Religion forums at a later date, but this time, LEAVE YOUR PARTNER SATAN BEHIND!

It is isn't thst I don't take scripture seriously. I don't take you seriously. 

So what church do you go to? Do you answer to an elder? Or is it just you, the bible, and your prelest?

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their actions weren't recorded because they never existed.

Who never existed?

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mopac,

You ask me questions and expect an answer, when you DO NOT address my godly posts to you in the name of Jesus, other than to RUN AWAY from them? Are you kidding? Surely you jest, correct? LOL!

You are the NUMBER ONE FAKE CHRISTIAN RUNAWAY ON DEBATEART!  Congratulations!

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You can just grab some popcorn and watch this one...

"God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble."

As it is written in Saint Paul's first letter to the church of Corinth...

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

As it is written by the hand of Saint Paul to Saint Timothy, Orthodox Bishop of Ephesus...

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mopac,

Look at your meaningless non sequitur post #26 above that is supposed to address my godly posts #18, #20, and #24, that shows your disgusting bible ignorance,  and that you continue to embarrassingly RUN AWAY from?!  Are you kidding us? This is all you have in the name of your Satan that allows you to be this dumbfounded relative to my posts to you?

Your post in question above DOES NOT ADDRESS your unbelievable bible ignorance where I had to school you once again with my posts #18, #20, and #24 upon your LIES towards Jesus' inspired word!  You Satanically state there is no EVIL, but in biblical fact, as shown, our God created EVIL, and where you posit that our Yahweh/Jesus gives us free will, where biblically shown we do not have free will!  Therefore, as if the aforementioned wasn't enough embarrassment for you, then you were made the continued fool where I showed biblically that it was EVE that transgressed and NOT ADAM as you wrongfully proposed!  IS THERE EVER AN END TO YOUR BLATANT BIBLE IGNORANCE???!   

The following direct passage certainly shows your true modus operandi within DebateArt: "And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." ( 2 Corinthians 11:4)

Furthermore, to save yourself even further embarrassment within DebateArt religion forum, when will you learn that when you are in discussion with me, you bring a Boy Scout pocket knife to my godly Abrams M-1 fully loaded tank! You are easily outgunned when you engage me, therefore, accept this fact, and try and move on the best way you can in the name of Satan, understood?

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Jesus loves you, Thomas.

Evil and Good are indeed illusions, it's about if you're being bad to the bad people or not that ends you up being a good guy or not.

You're a selfish being, out to enjoy life and feel pleasant. That's achieved by many means. For some being a Nihilist helps, for others being a disciplined Christian and for even others, being an inbetweener who can say they're a normal good person to their close ones as best as they can be. Whatever brings you the most 'pleasant form of pleasure' is your reward, whatever brings you anything but is a step in the direction of what you find undesirable. 

The question is where or not you get what you desire by stepping on the toes of those who get in the way of what others desire. If the answer is 'yes', you end up a 'good person' and if the answer is no, sorry but you're a neutral character or villain in this storyline. That's life, really.

the lunatic

Can you still drink koolaid when you are upside down? Of course you can, just look at your posts.